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I think this may be a first. A Rotated Die Camel Toe Toonie. A really cool find in my opinion. Any thoughts are appreciated.   Edited by darryldarryl
08/04/2022 11:28 am
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The inner section can be moved in any direction with a little force or hot and cold. It can be removed all together is you greatly cool the inner and heat the outer. Someone was just having fun with it. PMD. |
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Okie take a closer look at this one.
I assure you that nothing was heated or cooled and that it has not been manipulated by someone.
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08/04/2022 2:08 pm
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Nice find. Looks like about a 135 degree rotation. Of course if it is a counterfeit, I'm sure you will do the right thing and destroy it as it is illegal to own.  Edited by JimmyD
08/04/2022 2:23 pm
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 this is a true die rotation on a counterfeit coin....I wonder now if they are branching out into the numismatic world and not just a circulation coin issue. I think it's neat but at the same time the simple fact that it's counterfeit means the producers of said counterfeit could easily start making fake error coins....scary thought. |
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This IS NOT a "die rotation". The coins are struck by a die that impresses both the inner and outer core at the same time for each side. You can have no die rotation. As I stated above, someone manually rotated the inner core inside the outer core and it is not an error or a variety.
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08/04/2022 4:02 pm
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Okie please look close at the pictures I provided.
Until I found this coin I would agree with you on your argument 100% of the time however this one changes that.
You have to change your thinking with this one. Who's to say that the counterfeiters follow Canada's Minting practices and procedures?
I can almost say with certainty now that they are made differently.
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08/04/2022 6:44 pm
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I would have to see the coin or a photo taken against a mirror to show rotation. The first photo and the second photo in not just the plastic holder flipped over. The margins are not the same between the coin edge and the edge of the plastic. The Chinese used cad/cam and lasers copied from a true coin. If the Chinese made a batch or two of these from their dies, the results would be flooding the coin sites with "look what I found!"
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As per your request Okie. Feel free to DM me and I will be more than happy to send you a quick video which shows the coin more clearly.  |
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One would guess producing fakes quality control is not first priority, still cool looking
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OK, I believe you now, but why would a counterfeiter have to have another piece of equipment that would strike the core independently from the rim and then compress them together? The Obv looks about 140 degrees rotated clockwise. If there is one of these, there has to be many more. This is why I collect only Vicky large cent varieties and nothing after 1920. Have fun error collectors and find whatever your heart desires.
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Are they struck independently or could it be one piece with colouring in the centre.
I don't have the answers however this piece has me thinking in a different way now.
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08/04/2022 7:42 pm
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To be clear.... This is not a mint error nor a legal coin. To produce one of these fakes with a rotated die would most likely only be a slight adjustment on the mechanism aligning the dies. The camel toe toonies are poorly produced but I think they are still struck the same as a normal toonie, it is two pieces and and hammer and anvil die.
All that aside these have nothing to do with error or coin collecting. In the late future it's possible they carry a premium if ever legal because they are circulating contemporary counterfeit coins of are time.... I never thought I'd see one but these have been out for a while l, the fact that "errors" are occuring is either sloppy workmanship due to pressure of these being outed, or more likely just another way to sell these fake pieces of metal for a large premium.
@okie, imo it's much harder to imitate a modern error on a plated or clad coin then a solid metal coin that's 100-200 years old, that's just my experience though, I have stayed away from large cents for the most part.
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As far as I have read these are stuck much like a normal toonie, an outer ring and center core struck together as one piece from two seperate pieces of metal. I can't remember the metal composition exactly but I'm fairly sure all that info has been published. Main point is these fakes are two seperate pieces of metal struck together as one, the same as a normal toonie.
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I have seen someone pop out the insert of a camel toe toonie, my guess the set screw or bolt holding the dies just got loose and it turned to this position, the fakes are a two piece unit.
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Thanks for the clarification.
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