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Determing Value

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 Posted 02/19/2009  4:03 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add christian_cyclist to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I know that there are a lot of ways to determine the value of a coin (assuming that you can get the grading just right). You can look on ebay, Red Book, and sites like Numismedia.com. The values can range from being spot-on matches between various sources to huge differences.

When I slowly started getting back into coin collecting, I used the PCGS price guide not knowing this was specifically for graded coins. Even after I found out, I figured they can't be that much more. Was I wrong or what? Now I am using an average between Red Book and Numsimedia to get a feel for what I should pay for a coin and what I should value my own coins at for trades and sales.

So what do you use as a guide to determine the value of a coin?

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 Posted 02/20/2009  2:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr Finger to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ebay is one of the best gauges there is
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 Posted 02/20/2009  3:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As note ebay is one of the better methods to determine the value of coins. Also, if you have a coin show in your area, go there and check on what is being sold and for how much. Same with coin stores. Web sites and books like the Red Book, PCGS web sites, Coin World, Numismedia, etc. are values based on what someone just like you guesses a price should, could, might, may, possibly be. If wrong, no big thing, there is always the next issue. At least with ebay you can see what someone is willing to pay for coins, not what someone hopes they are worth.
The problem with prices on ebay is those are the prices set by what someone is selling and if you tried to sell the same thing, you might get a completely different amount. Also, there is no way to just scan an entire series of coins with all varieties of grades. Such as all Mercury dimes and their grades.
ME? I just take as many sources as possible and average them all. Better than nothing.
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"Value" is a term which only has meaning if you're going to buy, or sell, a coin. If it's sitting in your collection, the "value" is meaningless.

Since "value" is directly related to the idea of buying/selling, the only true measure of "value" is what the coin buys/sells for in the real world. Any published guide can only approximate this value, since pricing can vary on a daily basis and with factors like whose slab the coin is in, the quality of the sales presentation, etc. Therefore, published guides only have real worth as gauges of relative value between differing issues of the same coin, a function of rarity and demand.

For me, "value" means "How much would I get for this coin if I sell it today?" My main resources for the answer to this question are ebay and Heritage Auctions results from the last month or two.
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 Posted 02/22/2009  9:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add penny pincher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You also have to think if what you paid for it is worth it to you and would I get the same in return in reselling it. Most of us buy to collect and not sell, so any coin I buy for under value I am excited about. Like others have said, there are many places to look for a value: RedBook, CoinValues, Greysheets, PCGS,...and the answers are almost a personal level. Is the coin graded, raw, silver, gold, variety, or common also play into the factor and all need to be considered, just because I say it is worth $30 does not mean you could not get $50 for it.

The first thing I try to do is find a dealer that I like and feel I can trust and see what they are using to set their prices. Most of the time it has been the RedBook or CoinValues and I gauge my coins from there. The difficult part is that if you are trying to sell them, because then the Bluebook comes into play and the prices are completely different. The idea behind the Bluebook is a base price to buy coins from individuals and still be able to make a profit from them when reselling them. Just because I have a $30 coin does not mean I will get that for it, most likely I will get $7-10 for it.

ebay is a good and bad place to look for coins because there a large number of people trying to take advantage of inexperience and sell their items for a lot more than they are worth. What complicates this more is that most of these people do not know how to grade and mark them up a lot more than they really are. All of us have seen a coin marked as MS63 when it is barely a VG8 or the dealer that slabs his own and has perfect MS70 on his entire stock. Because of these issues it is hard to figure out what the real value of a coin is. The other trick they use is to reference their coins to the PCGS coin price list. The problem here is that the coins were never graded by PCGS and no where near the price or grade they show. My first purchase off of ebay was for a set of four Lincoln Memorials that were priced at $12,000 on PCGS that I ended up buying for $10. The coins were nice and worth the $10 I spent but no where near the grade, condition or value PCGS puts on their coins.

Websites like this are a very helpful place for multiple reasons:

1. There are a wide range of collectors from novice to dealers with specialties in about everything in between. The information you find first will help you in figuring out grades and a price range better.

2. This site is set up by collectors for collectors and the reason for its existence. No one here wants to see some one cheated out of a coin and will help where they can. This is also shown in the buy, trade and sell areas where members post their items they want to sell and do it at a reasonable price. You can buy something from here cheaper than a dealer or ebay a lot of times and by selling something you have helped another collector by giving them something for a cheaper price than normal.

3. Knowledge. There are a number of sites set up that focus on one type of coin with its varieties, errors and other useful information. By informing others they help with the collecting end and getting more people into it and looking for something out of the ordinary.

Now, I am not saying that everyone on ebay is a crook or that dealers try to make a profit off of you, but it is a business. Like everything else you do, you should research it first. You do not just show up to a car lot and point out a car and say I will buy it without looking at it and taking it for a test run, and the same should be done with collecting. The more you know the better to figure out the true value of something.
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