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Shallow Hole On Many Ancients

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I have a question regarding the small, shallow hole that I have seen on the obverse of many bronze ancient Roman coins. This small pic typically is on the obverse and typically exactly at the center. It seems that this hole is shallow and never goes all the way through the coin. Is this hole cause by a small silver plug having been in the obverse of the bronze coin and having been removed? Does this small, shallow hole affect the value of the coin in any way?
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 Posted 02/19/2009  5:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add blcoinnut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If its what I am thinking of,its mostly on provincials
and it is made in the minting process,to hold the flan.
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blcoinnut- hmm, I suppose that that is a possibility as well.
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The holes are called "centration marks", or "centration dimples", because one of the main theories about what they're for is they come from the coin blank being screwed into some kind of lathe-like device, to smooth the surface and round the edge prior to striking. There are always two holes, one reverse and one obverse, and they normally (but not always) line up pretty evenly. They're only ever found on medium-to-large sized bronze coins, and they occur far more commonly in some series than in others; Ptolemaic Egypt and Roman Bulgaria appear to be two coin series, widely separated in time and space, where the marks can be found on almost every bronze coin.

But in truth, nobody knows for sure what mechanism put the there, or why. Another leading theory is that the blanks were heating prior to striking by being held with tongs in a furnace until the blank just started to soften and melt; the dimples would come from the tongs.

Because they were placed on the coin prior to striking, they're considered a normal part of the coin, and not an error or damage - the best modern equivalent phenomenon would be "ghosting". As such, it doesn't normally affect the value one way or another, unless it's a particularly spectacular example.
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Sap- ah thank you very much! It is good to know that all of the coins with this feature are not truly damaged.
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Saps' answer is pretty spot on though they actually can be found on quite small bronzes as well (at the 17mm mark or so) so it seems to relate to the minting process that happened to occur at a particular place and time

There is a current informative thread on Forvm at the momment on this

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/bo...opic=51009.0

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