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Medieval France Raymond VII

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I found this coin. I have been looking for something medieval Britain or France for a long time to enjoy medieval coinage. Does anyone know how much such a coin costs ? What price would be good for her ?

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That is a nice French feudal denier, for sure. The attribution is not completely correct, though. Raymond VII was Marquis of Provence 1222-49, but the coin is from the County of Toulouse, where he was at the same time Count of Toulouse. It could just as well be minted by one of his predecessors with the same name, Raymond V or Raymond VI, they reigned in succession 1148-1249.

I think anything up to 100 € is a reasonable price for this quality. The coin is not uncommon, but I haven't seen it slabbed before, so perhaps there should be some small premium for that.
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It could just as well be minted by one of his predecessors with the same name, Raymond V or Raymond VI, they reigned in succession 1148-1249.


I don't quite understand you here. 1194-1222 — Raymond VI became Marquis of Provence, from 1222 Raymond VII was already marquis. The label clearly shows the dates 1222-49, so the attribution is correct.
If the coinage was different in Toulouse and Provence and the coin, as you say, was made in Toulouse, and NGC wrote that it was made in Provence, then I can agree with you.
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Raymond VII was marquis of Provence and count of Toulouse 1222-49. He minted coins in both domains, but they were different (each keeping with its monetary tradition).

Here is the Numista link for his Provence denier: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces55300.html

And the Toulouse denier: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces43734.html

Both coins are listed as belonging to either Raymond V, VI, or VII since they (as far as is known) looked the same during all three reigns. The coin you show is clearly the Toulouse coin (the inscription says TOLOSA CIVI), and we cannot really say with certainty which of the Raymonds it is minted for.
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