| Author |
 Replies: 16 / Views: 2,152 |
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
1571 Posts |
I have two suggestions, (Now that the hoerses have gone), after the barn door was left open"! In essence, this is what happens when people don't take the proper precautions. People don't realize it, but therwe is a LOT of money involved! The face value, normally would not warrant this precaution, but when the uniqueness of certain coins, etc is involved, then the risk goes up. In most cases, the "robbers, or thieves, don't realize what they are getting, or do they? Not everyone who goes to one of these shows is a coin collector. They may be a "collector", but as one who looks foe varieties, etc, and fair exchenge. The need for anything that can be exchanged for the dope habit, or just plain thieves!
One: Why not have an off-duty police, or sheriff, accompany the dealer to his safety deposit box, or home?
TYwo: Why not have a special depository for all the ones who are setting up bourse tabnles, etc, in the same place the show is going to be held?
Having something like this will cost money, and with good reason, but at the same time, it will save money, and the risk of being beaten, and/or killed, along with the loss of the "goods"?
I'm sure that Brinks, or Loomis, or any other armoured car service would make some sort of arrangement for the security of the merchandise, and the safety of the individuals involved.
When you advertise that there is going to be a very large amount of money, mostly cash, in some place, and time, there are those who will figure out a way to try and get some, if not all of it! Every registered dealer, should have the training in the uise of firearms, and the license to carry a weapon, ESPECIALLY when transporting any money, etc, for the ocassion. Billy is not the first, nor will he be the last, but the least one can do is give it some thought!
My 2 cents worth!
Dick
|
|
|
|
Pillar of the Community
Canada
4227 Posts |
Quote:
Every registered dealer, should have the training in the uise of firearms, and the license to carry a weapon Oh! I am so glad to live in Canada! |
|
Pillar of the Community
 United States
1571 Posts |
Just because you live in Canada, ( and I envy you this pleasure. I collect Canadian coins, and would have a "ball"), does not mean that there are not the same risks! I have read of
too many of these things happening, and thought I would comment.
Dick
Edited by livingdinasaur
02/20/2009 3:51 pm
|
|
Pillar of the Community
Canada
4227 Posts |
Oh, the risks in Canada are definitely real ... I used to organise coin shows and security was a very necessary expense. It's the "firearms" thing we don't do here, hence the quotation.
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
1571 Posts |
You're right! I had forgotten about that law. Of course, not being Canadian, it didn't occur to me, however. It does, and should apply where these things are allowed.
I would think that the RCMP would be available, for such events, or no?
Dick
|
|
Pillar of the Community
Canada
4227 Posts |
Off-duty police (I'm in a city where there is a municipal police force which holds jurisdiction over RCMP) are available, certainly.
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
677 Posts |
Quote:
It's the "firearms" thing we don't do here, hence the quotation Of course, it's the "good guys" that don't. The "bad guys" generally don't let things like laws stop them. |
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
1571 Posts |
True, Very true! Just like they say here The lock on your door is not necessary, because the honest person respects your right ot privacy, and feeling of security. The ones who have no sense of respect, could care less about the lock, or anythimng else. Outlaws will alwasy have guns, (and in most cases, Better equipped than the law enforcement units)!
Look at LA, CA, and Phoenix ,AZ The police have petitioned for permission to purchase personally, at their own expense, weapons that will give them at least the same chance that thr "bad guys" have, in weaponery. I agree with them.
Dick
Edited by livingdinasaur
02/20/2009 4:32 pm
|
|
Bedrock of the Community
United States
20753 Posts |
Quote:
Of course, it's the "good guys" that don't. The "bad guys" generally don't let things like laws stop them.
WHAT? Are you insenuating criminals don't respect out laws? In the Chicago area some time ago they passed a law stating that all guns must be registered. Regardless of who, why, where. A lady told me what a great law this is. Now when criminals go to register their guns, the police will take them away.  And if you read the papers you can see just how well that law worked here. As for safety at a coin show. NO GUNS ALLOWED. If the security guards are not legal law inforcement individuals, NO GUNS. If your a dealer and have a federal license for guns, you still need a local license to carry a firearm and that is as easy to get as finding a million dollar bill on the ground. Probably one of the worst things about coin collection robberies is the methods used by the criminals to dispose of the coins. Many are dumped into coin counting machines. Some are sold at flea markets. Many are taken to banks in bags. Lots are also used in vending machines. Therefore compounding the losses. One of the reasons lately for posts that say I found a coin that appears to be a proof. |
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
1571 Posts |
just carl, I agree with you. My thinking is based on the fact that I have been raised in AZ, which has the "open Range Law", that allows one toown, and carry a weapon anywhere, anytime, other than a "concealed weapon), on the street. They prefer they be unloaded, and people respect it. We also have, (or used to) have the right to protect our property! I think the sheriff, in AZ that was sued, by an illegal, or their representative, and was founf guilty of abuise, is a huge mis-carriage of the law! What happened to the constitution? Has it been superceded by our friendly, back-stabbing bovernment, too? Paerdon my rage, but I think a "Man's home, is his castle", and should be defended as such! By any means at hand, and that the "outlaws,/illegals/undocumented INVADERS be treated as such!
This is MY country, and I'll fight to defend it!
Dick
|
|
Valued Member
United States
284 Posts |
"An armed society is a polite society." Mark Twain.
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
1571 Posts |
We have an expression, which I will edit:
"If you 'fool" with the bull, you will get the horn"!
Yes, it pays to be polite.
Dick
|
|
Pillar of the Community
Canada
4227 Posts |
Quote:
"An armed society is a polite society." Mark Twain. Robert A. Heinlein ... not Mark Twain. Cute notion though. |
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
1801 Posts |
Our local shows have off duty police as security guards and they arrive early so they are there while the dealers unload their cars and they stay late while the dealers pack up. Plus I think most of the dealers have "concealed carry" permits. Can't be too careful.
|
|
Bedrock of the Community
United States
20753 Posts |
Quote:
Our local shows have off duty police as security guards and they arrive early so they are there while the dealers unload their cars and they stay late while the dealers pack up. Plus I think most of the dealers have "concealed carry" permits. Can't be too careful.
Great ideas. Still there is the problem of a person being followed after the show. A security person would probably not see that and could do little since they have to stay there. That being followed after the show is one of the biggest methods of coin robberies from a coin show around here. And today with all those available tracking devices they are being placed on your car or even slipped into a bag your carrying. In many places your license plates on the car can be traced by individuals that know how to use the internet search methods of freedom of information acts. Not long ago there was a story on one of the TV stations where they wanted to check just how much of your personal info is available to others. So they just went to those search places, typed in CIA and ended up with the main offices, local offices, amount of people employed there, names and addresses of people working there and just about anything else imaginablee. Naturally that info was SUPPOSED to have been removed after that story. Just something to think about when you look at your car. Might pay to rent a car to go to coin shows. I know a dealer that does. |
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
1571 Posts |
just carl, the "trip home", is the main idea of my posts, after the Show. That is why I think there should be a depositary where the dealers can leave the merchandise, to be picked up at a later time and/or date, to prevent the knowledge of the home location of the dealers. This is how most robberies hav happened, thru gouse-break-ins, or plain out, and out robbery, and beatings, or worse. The location is the most important. My idea that "if they don't know where you live, or even if you are, or are not a collector/dealer" should be carefully guarded. We collectors normally have more that the "usual" amount of cash, in one form or another, and while in many cases the FACE value may not be extreme, the numismatical value makes it as the same as a bank, but without the same security as a bank. That a
dickolne makes us very vulnerable to robbery, and the accompanying risks.
|
| |
Replies: 16 / Views: 2,152 |
Posted 02/20/2009 3:50 pm
