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New Member
Canada
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I got a heavily toned 1922 Peace dollar. I'm curious as to what may have caused this level of toning? Peaces aren't usually found with this level of tone. It doesn't look like artificial toning to me either; it's too nice, and the colors blend into eachother, AT usually has lots of that ugly burnt orange color (I could be wrong). Both sides are toned, so it's not a roll-ender. I'm thinking it may have been stored in a pouch or envelope made of something reactive. Anyhow, I'd love to hear your theories.    |
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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It doesn't look like normal toning. Toning is a layer that builds up over the coin, a layer of oxidisation but from these photos it looks like you can still see the original lustre and that there is no layer above the coin, just coloured original surfaces. It looks like it may be artificial but I'm not certain and await other opinions.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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This is the poster child of an AT coin. Definitely do more research if you think this is natural. Peace dollars do not tone like this "naturally". The colors are not accurate either. Like Toby stated, there is no toning skin on this coin. Some mental defective tampered with it. You realize when you know how to think, it empowers you far beyond those who know only what to think.
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Edited by NumismaticsFTW
09/10/2022 04:20 am
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Valued Member
Canada
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Photo's are too grainy and out of focus....no opinion...
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Brighter pics, please, shown right-side up.  to the CCF! Edited by Coinfrog
09/10/2022 08:39 am
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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resub photo's for better assessment if you want. if not, NumismaticsFTW is correct. this is not natural toning. color progression is all wrong as stated 1. remove coin from holder if possible 2. turn off flash 3. place coin on flat surface with indirect natural light. maybe a window sill in a cloudy day 4. move phone about 3in from coin 5. zoom in using your fingers until the coin comes into focus 6. hold phone steady. if you cant then place something on either side of the coin at that distance and lay phone on top. this will hold it steady and allow you to zoom and take the photo without any blurring Edited by panzaldi
09/10/2022 09:42 am
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Rest in Peace
United States
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First to the CCF! This could be a product of storage conditions but if you poke around ebay you'll find sellers that have many silver dollars toned just like this one. These have all had intentional help. Here's a link to a site that goes into great detail about natural and intentional toning. http://jhonecash.com/coins/tonedmorgans.aspScroll down to just below the snakes.... Edited by dave700x
09/10/2022 09:55 am
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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MS-63 details, altered surfaces.
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New Member
United States
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Artificial Toning for sure!
Save it though, might be worth something, some day.
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New Member
 Canada
36 Posts |
Thankfully I didn't pay very much for it, so I'll keep it as a education/reference piece.
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New Member
Canada
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This is more the artificial toning I am familiar with (image taken from the internet)  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3848 Posts |
In both coins, you see the same dark blue and purple color progressions. That isn't natural color toning from normal coin storage environments.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1767 Posts |
It looks like the same colors I got on some quarters that I put in the toaster as an experiment.
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Valued Member
United States
88 Posts |
Textbook blowtorch toning, as others have said you'll seldom if ever find that all-over blue/purple color in a naturally toned coin.
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New Member
Canada
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@dave700x: Thanks for the resource, it is very informative about the science of Natural Toning. Wish it said a bit more about AT though. I wonder if mine was done in a "toning chamber" over a few weeks/months. I just hope they didn't do anything truly disgusting to it (a "cook job", if you will). @IndianGoldEagle: Wow really, that high? I would have guessed mid-AU. I definitely did alright then. US coinage isn't my specialty, but I'm definitely a fan of Peace dollars. I would be interested in knowing about regional variations in toning patterns; I'm sure a coin stored in a drawer in Arizona would tone differently than Louisiana, or Alaska. Edited by NickMar28
09/10/2022 9:18 pm
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New Member
Canada
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@LazerPig I've done some googling on Blowtorch Toning and it looks like you may be right. Same colors. I would have thought the heat of a blowtorch would cause ugly scarring on a coin. For AT, I had always been warned to look for that sickly "burnt orange" color. Another collector once described it as the coin looking as though it had been "peed on". Here's a typical example from ebay:  |
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