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1983 Lincoln Cent: Dirty Doubling

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Are experienced eyes able to see thru dirt on coins to find doubling? I could not stop looking at this and wanted to know if it would be impossible, even to experienced eyes, to see separation lines thru all the gunk. I know there is more than one DDR for 1983 and that the first one is really obvious, but there are others that are not so obvious.

Also, do the tops of the two roofs on the right side of the memorial look normal? The top one looks like a line down the right side I thought might be dirt, and the bottom roof has some copper colored doodads under the corner. I learned already if it is gray, then it is split plating.

Thanks for your thoughts.

PS: Still learning how to use the microscope.

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I think everything you are seeing here is from the lighting from the scope. It will take you awhile to get used to the scope and learn how to defuse the lights. A scope is a great tool but like any other tool, it needs to be used correctly.
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Not doubling. Just some contact on the tops of the devices. On a doubled die, the hub doubling will be seen on all areas affected with the die listings. On the DDR-002, the devices are affected on the opposite sides of the devices:
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Note how the devices are enlarged. On your coin they are normal sized and probably affected by a medium bounce of MD. Note the other areas that would also be affected on die 002:
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On the DDR-001, the hub doubling is in the direction that your coin appears to be (but it not) but the devices on the United show a lot stronger spread on the devices:
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So on your coin, it is not hub doubling, but a medium bounce of Machine Doubling. This will vary from strike to strike and it is a striking issue, not a doubled die issue. Note the devices are normal sized, not showing spread. Just altered from Machine Doubling.

CoopHome: Spread, does it always enlarge the devices? Yes. The die would not be doubled if it weren't showing spread.
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It will take you awhile to get used to the scope and learn how to defuse the lights.


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Thanks again coop! I like how you pointed out the direction the doubling moves w/ the graphics and how it stops on NT. So much to learn and you seem to have a way of putting things into perspective to make it all a little less daunting.

I have many many cents from the 1980's decade. This is around the time the family started collecting the pocket change. I think there were hard financial times somewhere in that decade which might have been why we started the collection.

I still have many more from 1983 to look at and I am pretty intent on finding one.
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I like to help people see, what I see on a coin. Thus the deeper look at their coins. When they see what I see, it makes all the time spent here worth every second.
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CentSeeker,
Are you checking all three reference sites when you think you found a doubled die? You will need to put a filter over your light source.
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Hi John1,

Yes for the most part but still just trying to practice focusing with the scope.

For example, Wexler's has three varieties listed.

One that says "Extra thickness and some separation lines show on CENT, the designer's initials, the lower right part of the Memorial, and some letters in AMERICA." But that one is listed as 002.

Then they have the 003 listed as "A strong counterclockwise spread from a pivot at 3 o'clock shows on the letters of UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, ONE CENT, E PLURIBUS UNUM, the dots, and the lower left Memorial."

As for the scope, I am trying just about everything. You can help me out if you want over here:

http://goccf.com/t/430525
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I am actually studying -makecents- roll hunting thread too which is helping.
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I think that verical line super close the right edge of the upper roof is part of the design to make it appear more three dimensional maybe? I must pay attention to that area while looking at various LMC to see what is normal.
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