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@spence thank you
And I will do what you ask me and inform u
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New Member
Jordan
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@martivltori I'm looking for the knowledge and the truth
I'm not looking for cheating or scamming people,
Thanks for your help
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@Jordan1 please accept my sincere apology. I rashly and mistakenly thought that this was a common vetting tactic used by forgers. It does happen with some frequency but in this case I am certain I was wrong especially given the prior authentication of this item provided by the Antique Coin Examination Center.
I would love to know more about the Antique Coin Examination Center of Jordan. It sounds like a fascinating institution but I am unable to find any reference, contact info, or website URL on the internet.
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1. As noted by others above, it is impossible to "carbon date" a coin, since it has no carbon in it to date.
2. I'm not aware of any analytical technique that can assign a date to a silver coin. Silver has no long-lived radioisotopes, so you would need to rely on measuring the radioisotopes in trace levels of impurities, which would be incredibly unreliable. The dating of coins requires the coin to either bear an actual date on it, or it requires archaeological study of hoard evidence.
3. Any dating technique, applied to a coin that does not bear a date, is going to have a range, not just a number. Carbon dating (if it had been applicable to a coin) gives a range of plus or minus 10%. So a "carbon-dated coin", if such a thing could exist, would not come back with a single number for the date (eg. "AD 5") but a fairly broad range (eg. "100 BC to AD 100").
4. I don't know who the "Antique Coin Examination Center" are, but I seriously doubt that they "offered me 50k $". Any organization calling itself that is not going to be in the business of buying coins. Any organization attached to the government or a museum isn't going to offer random money to someone who walks in with a coin; not only do they object to the concept of buying and selling antiquites, but they simply don't have that much cash sitting around to spend; the only people who might do this are criminal gangs, and even they aren't going to fork over that much money for a coin. And finally, anyone knowledgeable enough about ancient coins to fork over $50,000 on the spot for one would recognize immediately that this is a fake.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Wonderful looking coin!
Beautiful dark grey cabinet toning with the silver highspots making the detail on both ob and rev "zing out"!
Lovely round flan holding the full border on both sides, a rare senario....The well balanced obverse and reverse is what mostly appeals to me along with the budget price tag!..
Probably a unique specimen that only the privileged could own....I'd hang on to this baby as you won't find another with such high eye appeal...Congrats.
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you won't find another with such high eye appeal Although some of these might come close. Coincidentally, each also valued at $50K.  |
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And I've tracked down the prototype: it's a "Paduan" fake. So no genuine Roman coins with this design ever existed, and replica/fantasy coins with this design never existed prior to the 1500s.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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My initial skepticism quickly evolved into genuine curiosity so I decided to dig into this mystery a little deeper. I had to dig deep. Very deep. But here goes.
In the mid 2nd century A.D., the Roman scholar and alchemist QVI MEDICVS built a chariot that was capable of traversing both geographic and temporal distances. This vehicle was known as the CVRRVS TARDVS. In the year A.D. 165, a group of celators along with a detachment from the LEGIO CAPPVCCINO used the CVRRVS TARDVS to travel to A.D. 5. Some modern historians dispute the claim that the celators were accompanied by a large legionary force simply on the basis of capacity constraints. Multiple contemporary sources however make note that MEDICVS' chariot was 'bigger on the inside'.
Upon their arrival in A.D. 5 in Rome, the celators set to work striking coins depicting their emperor Lucius Verus on the obverse and commemorating the famous CVRRVS TARDVS on the reverse. Only one genuine example of this type survives today but it is thoroughly documented in the following numismatic works:
Schister & Stikem (SS 3.14 159)
Dewey Cheetham & Howe (DCH 4-20)
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Jordan
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@martivltori thank you all for your help guys 🙏;#127995;
Last Q : how I know if it's real or fake ?
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You've already assured us that coin has been tested, proven ancient, and authenticated by the experts at the renowned Antique Coin Examination Center. Why would you now ask if it's real or fake?
Edited by Kamnaskires
09/30/2022 07:54 am
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Jordan
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@Bob L I know that I did the test but I wanna make sure
Because from all what the guys said I be confused
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United States
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Seems to me that the question has been answered already. Multiple times. Quote:
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Obvious tourist fake ! Quote:
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Hi Jordan. So, yes some of us have been having a bit of fun and trolling you a little bit because we suspect you have also been trolling us. Here are the facts 1. The "coin" is not genuine. It is a tourist replica or a forgery made with the intent to deceive. 2. It has no numismatic value whatsoever. If it is silver it has some metal value. 2 or 3 dollars at best. 3. There is no such entity as the "Antique Coin Examination Center". Any reputable numismatic entity would have: - A web presence or at least some searchable contact info. - Not offered you 50k for this. 4. Your actual question to us was whether you can sell this or not. If I had this I would first melt it or hammer it into a nugget so that it could not be used to defraud others. If it was base metal I would then throw it into the trash. If silver I would sell for a couple of dollars. If you want to represent this as 2017 years old and worth 50k+ but will sell for the low, low price of 1k, please contact your local law enforcement agency about the legalities of this. In my country this is seriously illegal. If you have a genuine coin and want to know whether you can sell or not, please contact the Jordan Department of Antiquities. Here is their website: http://doa.gov.jo/homeen.aspxIf your interests shift from forgeries/fraud to legitimate numismatic interests please come back and share with us. We would love to discuss with you and have you share with us real numismatic finds you may come across. As @sap pointed out above the design is based on a Paduan medal made from the 16th century at the earliest and can be seen here: https://www.britishmuseum.org/colle...ct/C_B-12966I however do like the story of the Lucius Verus / CVRRVS TARDVS type of A.D. 5. It makes for a splendid tale. Edited by MartiVltori
09/30/2022 10:20 am
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Jordan
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@ MartiVltori I have the medal look at this all is founded in same place,   |
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