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ttkoo Pillar of the Community Australia 2509 Posts	Posted 09/30/2022 12:02 am Hi, I got this on ebay, advertised as a hammered coin, crusades c.1200's It is approx 14mm x 13mm, wafer thin and weighs 0.33 grams It is fairly toasted, but still has a few discernable details, and I wondered a. Is it a genuine coin of some description? b. is it from the crusades or might it be old hungarian? or something else? I am not a collector of ancients, but I may become one in the future and I would appreciate any comments you may have. thanks tt The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient. Report this Post to the Staff

Sap Moderator Australia 16810 Posts	Posted 09/30/2022 12:56 am Technically, it's "mediaeval", not "ancient". My best guess is its' a copper kardez from Cilician Armenia - while not directly a "Crusader state", it is often classified along with them as the kingdom would not have existed without Crusader assistance. I could be wrong, and it's actually from Hungary; both nations used the double-cross symbol. With this amount of corrosion, I can't be certain. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis Report this Post to the Staff
ttkoo Pillar of the Community Australia 2509 Posts	Posted 09/30/2022 01:13 am Thanks Sap, as always thanks for the feedback. The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient. Report this Post to the Staff
ttkoo Pillar of the Community Australia 2509 Posts	Posted 09/30/2022 04:08 am And.....with this amount of corrosion, is there a way to halt it from progressing further? The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient. Report this Post to the Staff
Sap Moderator Australia 16810 Posts	Posted 09/30/2022 07:21 am Well, "the damage is done". It doesn't look like active corrosion, more like an over-zealous cleaning. I can see the pitting from extreme corrosion removal, and that orange colour is typical of either ammonia or lye, both very effective at removing corrosion from copper. Now, maybe it had active corrosion before the cleaning, but it's clear now. Put it in an air-resistant container and it'll be no worse off than any other piece of copper. The contagious "bronze disease" form of corrosion is pale green and powdery. If you ever notice that form on your coins, either this coin or any other, it's time for some over-zealous cleaning of your own. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis Report this Post to the Staff
january1may Pillar of the Community Russian Federation 5172 Posts	Posted 09/30/2022 1:36 pm As far as I can tell, the design of the second (non-cross) side, with what appears to be a crown over the letter M, belongs to a 1380s Hungarian denar: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces34127.html AFAIK Hungarian denars were not produced in copper, and there are only a few types of Hungarian copper coins, none of which look like this. It could have been a contemporary counterfeit, or a low-purity actual denar where the copper was brought to surface by the environmental damage and/or the cleaning. Note that at 0.33 grams I can't rule out an obulus [https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces103304.html]. But I suspect it's probably more likely that this used to be a denar but lost some weight in the cleaning. Report this Post to the Staff
ttkoo Pillar of the Community Australia 2509 Posts	Posted 10/01/2022 04:15 am Quote: Well, "the damage is done". Thanks again Sap, always appreciated. Quote: belongs to a 1380s Hungarian denar: Looks pretty much like it when compared side by side. Thanks for the information january1may The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient. Report this Post to the Staff
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