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Valued Member
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Edited by Flowme911
09/30/2022 11:20 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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The devices on the edge of a coin are incuse. So damage could happen on that area, altering the incuse devices from coin contact, or could be added on the coins surfaces. Can't see what you are seeing on the image, but 99% of the time an incuse mark is often just damage to the coin. On business strike coins the outer incuse devices are added post strike. On the Proof coins, the incuse die edge devices are added by the collar during the strike. thus these are non reed coins.    '  So why is this step done on the proof coins and not the business strike coins? First consider on a proof coin, they are struck twice. On a business strike coins are only struck once. Thus the edge is necessary to also be struck twice, thus the need for both strikes to be done in the same location at the same time. CoopHome: Are edge strikes of the incuse devices all done the same? no. proof strikes are different as they are struck twice (or more on some coins) |
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Bedrock of the Community
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Much sharper image needed.
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All I see is an extremely fuzzy/blurry gold colored 'something' let alone a star on it.  please post up an in focus image of the edge please. |
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Let me see if I can get a sharper photo or 2. I'm limited to my phone for taking photos, which I barely feel capture any detail, then further limited by the photo editor on here that takes my already mediocre photo and reduces it to poor quality to get it under 300kb. No, I do not blame the equipment nor the editor software...I see some great pics loaded by others on here...just saying I'm not the guy you want to have capture a special moment on camera!
Thank you for the info and photos Coop, those are so cool! I have absolutely considered possible. Intentional alteration and accidental damage. I am suspicious of all incuse features on coins to be honest, but the location itself, and the actual detail in hand alleviates my doubt. If I could, I would just send it too you to have a look and see what I mean lol, but I cannot afford attributions etc
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Your phone should do just fine, once you get used to working with it. I have used my phone to take all the pictures I have posted up so far - have a look at my signature links to see examples.
I usually set my zoom in function on the phone to about 3.0x to 4.0x and then I can be farther away for the auto-focus to work properly.
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You said
"This coin leads me to believe that the mint possibly experimented with edge lettering since at least the start of the Sac Program"
If you think the Denver mint was experimenting with edge devices in 2000, that info should be available in mint reports. Have you done any research on sites like the Newman Numismatic Portal? Without some supporting evidence, you just have some fuzzy pics and an opinion.
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Except some studies on new materials for coins and studies for already minted coins, the Mint do not publish the experiments they perform. Even if it is an experiment, such experimental coins never will see the outside of the essay lab. What popular is believe and the folklore ephemera, do not apply to the way the Mint perform theirs activities.
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Posted a few more pics, hope they are better.
Opinions rule in this industry though Hobbs, although not necessarily mine. I have no idea how an incuse star, like the ones seen on later edge lettered coins, got there. One of the new pics I posted show the edge of the coin on to of another coin with raised stars to show the similarity in design. Quite honestly I'm just here to share, in my hand the star is quite evident and unmistakable.I think it is neat, so I shared it, that was my only opinion. How or when or why it came to be I will most likely never know, I just remarked on some possibilities, I did not state them as facts. Thank all for looking and your comments :)
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As to when any mint started testing/experimenting with the edge lettering for modern coins, I would have to believe that it went on for a number of years to be honest, just my opinion, because I doubt they just said "Hey, lets try this..." For 2007 and threw it all together that same year. Additionally, I don't feel like it was coincidental that the same planchets were chosen for the presidential coin program, especially if testing were being done with the Sacs. Would they have started 7 years before implementation? I don't know. But I would wager that the thinner stars used, as opposed to the design on this coins edge, was just one tiny result of testing that resulted in a higher quality strike if so. Now how it survived when any other pattern or lettering was "erased" after any such test, again I don't know, but I doubt it would be the only survivor.
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