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1867 2c NGC MS-62 Even The Denticles Are Doubled

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Hello Everyone! I hope your night is going well... what do you think of this coin? Both sides, too
1867-2c-NGC-MS-62--Even-The-Denticles-Are-Doubled
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 Posted 10/19/2022  05:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smat45 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't know enough about the series...but does look like a nice example!
I'm not seeing the doubling...could it be Longacre doubling?
I'll check back to see what the experts say.
Thanks for posting!
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 Posted 10/19/2022  09:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pics are too dark to make out doubling, at least for me.
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 Posted 10/19/2022  11:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sheldius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Left side denticles on shield side of the coin do look different. Not sure based on lighting/looking through case.
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I find that when the denticles look doubled its normally Machine Doubling. But we need much closer pictures to confirm anything.
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The Date looks totally repunched South (but of course it can't be), the "2" has doubling at the top, at the top of the base, and at the knob, the top of the IGWT banner is heavily doubled, tops of the arrows, almost all of the denticles show doubling-as does the legend on the reverse, and there's something very strange going on at CENTS. More doubling, too both sides...
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I think it's the light that is making the appearance of doubling in the photos.
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RedRaider: it may look that way, but nearly the whole coin shows doubling (start at the date...)
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The fact that this is seen on the entire coin bolsters my own opinion that this is light playing tricks. The way the light is angled is making it look like the whole coin shows doubling.

We need better pics in different light to make better judgements. Do you have the coin in hand?
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 Posted 10/19/2022  5:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldgrouchyguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No, I just bought it from Heritage... the images are scanned, so I'm not sure how the light would "play tricks". What it is, is one heckofa example of Machine Doubling. If the underdigits of the date were the same size as the overdigits, you could make a case for double-striking. Alas, they are larger, so it isn't double-struck but the next best thing... I'll have clear photos after it arrives
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I mostly see a trick of image lighting. The right arrow may have a bit of actual separation in the tip, and the 18 may have a touch of doubling at the bottoms, which could also be MD. Not sure what's going on with the barely visible CENTS.

Here is the FS-101 and the doubling is very obvious. https://coins.ha.com/itm/two-cent-p...bnail-071515
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Did HA advertise it as doubled? If they didn't then it probably isn't.
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Heritage has no idea what they are selling sometimes (unattr. K.14-H FUGIO, for one), and you can't fault them for not looking at every single coin sold in their scratch 'n dent sales-twice they have tried to sell an 1804 1/2c in a holder marked C-11; it's really a C-5 and there's a huge difference between the two. This isn't the doubled die (see my earlier post on my newly-discovered Perfect Die State of the Doubled Die), so don't confuse the two. There would be no listing in the catalogue for Machine Doubled coins, as it's not a variety, just a minting goof. Very, very different "look". And, if these scans were faulty-they'd all be. The scan settings don't change.
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I will look forward to seeing pics once you have the coin in hand.

Lighting is weird with coins. If the prominent light is on the "north" side of the coin, the light will catch the high points and low points of the devices, sentinels, portrait, everything. That is what I see here. Light was at 12 o clock.

Please post more pics once you have the coin and prove me wrong! I'm here to learn!
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