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Arab-Byzantine Coin Imitating Cyprus Follis?

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 Posted 10/27/2022  12:55 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add DagonX to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello!

I received recently a small follis. When I was buying it I thought it's just a Heraclius follis, probably from Constantinopole. Now, I'm not so sure about that because of the strange "M" on the reverse. I know almost nothing about arab-byzantine coinage but is it an imitation of Cyprus follis?

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And second question, is there a countermark on the obverse or is it just my imagination? I've done my best with the photos, I'm not able to do anything better.

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Arab-Byzantine-Coin-Imitating-Cyprus-Follis?

I don't know is it helpful but coin has about 18,3-26,5 mm and 3,5 g.

Thanks for help!
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 Posted 10/29/2022  6:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, year 17 Cyprus mint coins of Heraclius are a common prototype for Arab pseudo-Byzantine coins struck in Syria. I do think I see a countermark. Your coin appears to be struck on a piece cut from a larger coin. This is not unusual. It may be that the countermark belongs to the undertype. I'm afraid 7th-century countermarks are not my strong suit but there has been some work published in recent years.
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 Posted 10/30/2022  08:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DagonX to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, maybe the place when I think might be a countermark is just a result of poor minting quality or re-use of some older coin. Anyway, thanks! :)
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To clarify, I think it's a countermark but it may have been applied before the original coin was cut and restruck. Based on the little I know, it belongs to a slightly earlier period.
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 Posted 10/31/2022  5:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DagonX to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is getting more and more fascinating, thanks for your opinion!
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