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Just got this coin from en ebay seller yesterday and I only noticed later that day that there was this weird outline which looks like William IV on the reverse side. Now the ruler of Britain at the time (1830) this was produced was George IV - later that year he dies and is replaced by William IV, whose bust faces right.  Now how on earth did this weird silhouette get there, exactly? Can anyone tell me? - was it stored against a later half-Farthing and somehow the outline of William IV's bust left it's mark on the coin below? Would love to know...     Edited by NumisMattyUk
02/26/2009 10:27 pm
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Looks like a die clash to me.
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...also the X in REX looks dropped a little. Is that common?
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X dropped? common..? heh, I am no expert but slight oddities like this are common on most
19th Century coins. Can you explain a die clash? Hmm I haven't come across one of them before..
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It's too sharp to be ghosting; I'd go with the die clash theory.
That's the funkiest coloured bronze coin I've ever seen - it looks brassy. It also looks lacquered and/or polished. Are these just tricks of the light, or does it really look like that in hand?
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Definition: A die clash error happens when the coin dies come together in the coining press without a planchet between them. This causes an imprint of each die to be left on the opposing die face. For example, an impression of the obverse die is left on the reverse die, and vice versa. Although the Mint usually makes an effort to clean up these marks, they are sometimes visible on the coins themselves. http://coins.about.com/od/coinsglos...sh_error.htmQuote:
It's too sharp to be ghosting; I'd go with the die clash theory. Sap, I never meant ghosting in a professional way - what is 'ghosting' is the next question for me Quote:
That's the funkiest coloured bronze coin I've ever seen - it looks brassy. It also looks lacquered and/or polished. Are these just tricks of the light, or does it really look like that in hand? What you see is what I got in my hand :) Edited by NumisMattyUk
02/26/2009 8:42 pm
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Die clashes occur when the dies come together without a planchet between them. Often vague details from one die are transferred to the other die when this happens.
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So I don't suppose this adds much to the value of the coin? I got it for about 20 quid..
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"Ghosting" is the faint outline of the king's head you often see on the reverse of Edward VII and early George V pennies; it superficially looks similar to a die clash, but is less distinct.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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So I don't suppose this adds much to the value of the coin? I got it for about 20 quid.. It really depends on the coin. Here in the US people sometimes pay a premium for certain die clashes. It is part of what the whole VAM thing is about with Morgan dollars. Unfortunately I don't think the carries over to the darkside. |
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Dark side? |
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"darkside" = foreign. Don't you read the CCF coin glossary at all?  Britain is slowly coming around to the American concept that error coins are valuable and worth more. For years, such error coins were seen as "defective" and therefore worth less than a perfect, error-free specimen. A holdover from the days when coins were all hand-made, and perfect specimens were the rare exception, rather than the norm. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Hi, To test the clash theory, I did an overlay with the obverse flipped in relation to the reverse, and faded back to show both sides. Here you can see how the portrait aligns to the mark on the reverse. I suspect a clash as well.  |
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Kurt, I'm confused... a clash of what? Isn't there a monarch on the other side already? Were they testing new dies because one had kicked it and there were getting ready for the next?
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"darkside" = foreign. What d' ya' mean? Gotcha  Kurt: pretty good work there  Edited by NumisMattyUk
02/26/2009 10:20 pm
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xshift, a clash of the obverse die with the reverse (the two dies hit each other without a coin present). My faint overlay shows how the portrait fits the mark. |
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