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True Or False, Elaborate .: And Q For The Graders

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In order for a coin to adopt the MS name, the coin has to feel "sharp" or have a crisp feel to it?

Is their any graded MS thats without that crispy feeling?

Can the Circle of Doom, wheel of death, be a mint error? Or does a coin machine choose which side to stamp and aim DEAD CENTER of every size coin there is?


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MS denotes "mint state", that is, in the brand-new condition as issued by the mint. Clearly these coins are not "mint state".



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I've never come across the 'crispy'/sharp feel of a coin as an indication of MS. Are you referring to a sharp appearance, or a sharp/crispy tactile feel?

Vintage mechanical vending machines can leave circular features in the center of coins. I've come across more than a few nickels and quarters (and some dimes) with the circular 'swirl'. Nearly all were from the 30s-50s.
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with coinfrog, MS is uncirculated no wear on the coin but with varying levels of dings, scratches or damage done post minting. The circle of death/ring of doom can 100% never be any genuine mint error. The coin wrapping machines just simply roll up a pre-counted amount of coin irregardless of sides or type even.
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The top coin appears to have been soldered, to make a button, then the soldering was broken off again.
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'Crisp' is a term more appropriately applied to banknotes in pristine condition, fresh of the press.
'CFU' is the top grade for banknotes: - Crisp Flat Uncirculated

Although I always use the term 'MS' to comply with accepted terminology, I think Mint State is a somewhat misleading term for a coin with no wear, but is still badly marked up.
'MS' should only apply to what most consider to be a pristine MS-70 coin.
A coin that shows no signs of wear, but has tiny dings and short hairline scratches should be better graded in the range of 'U'-60 to 'U'-69, in the Sheldon scale.

About is only an adjectival descriptor for an AU coin, that exhibits a slight amount of wear, and has survived for a short time in circulation,

'As Struck' is the top grade for an ancient coin, but the quality of strike and flan characteristics still have to be described.
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