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1922 Peace W/O Reeding

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I have 3 1922 Peace dollars, no mint mark on any. The weird thing is that one looks a bit different than the rest. Plus, it doesn't have a reeded edge like the rest. Forgive me, I am still working on my photography skills.
This is the coin in question:
1922-Peace-W/O-Reeding 1922-Peace-W/O-Reeding
Here are the 3 together. The far right is the non-reeded:
1922-Peace-W/O-Reeding 1922-Peace-W/O-Reeding
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 Posted 02/27/2009  9:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jfransch to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like a cast counterfeit. Have you weighed it to see what the weight is?
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 Posted 02/27/2009  9:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
With all the pot marks along the edge I think it might be a cast copy.
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 Posted 02/27/2009  9:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add justin8341 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't have a scale that small. is there other ways to tell? It looks exactly like the others I have.
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Why would someone go thru the trouble to cast such a low value coin? One would think that the 1921 would be more profitable. I do however agree with the fact that it appears to be a cast. It even seems to be a little thicker than the other two. Or that could be just an optical illusion.
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Why would someone go thru the trouble to cast such a low value coin? One would think that the 1921 would be more profitable.

I agree. So if you "cast" a fake, wouldn't include the reeds too?
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Seeing the marks on the rim, I wonder if it was held by a tool like vise grips, and the reading removed under a grinding wheel?
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A crude test: Drop the silver dollars with the reeded edges and note the clink the silver dollars make, then drop the questionable dollar and note the difference. Also, grab a magnet! At least you'll have a better idea if it is silver after these tests.
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But the thickness of the rim is the same as the others. And it is perfectly uniform. Diameter is the same as the others too. I am guessing no one has seen anything like this before. All guesses are welcome to solve this lil mystery
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I agree. So if you "cast" a fake, wouldn't include the reeds too?


Reeding is a little tougher to fake. If you're casting it somewhere in Asia, for it to be circulated in Asia as a purported US coin, you don't have to be perfect to get by.

Cast fakes are hardly uncommon; there are people here at Coin Community who collect them and have seen hundreds, if not thousands. This one might be a real coin which has had the reeding removed; I can see what sure looks like vestigial evidence of reeding towards the bottom of the image provided.
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Did the drop test, seems the same. None of the Peace dollars stuck to the magnet, including the questionable one. Thanks for the ideas. Any more?
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I think I have a pic of what SuperDave said at the end of his post.

1922-Peace-W/O-Reeding

and I agree with him. Reeding has been removed somehow.
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Well, they did a mighty fine job then. Why would someone go through the trouble though? Seems pretty pointless. But I still don't understand how it is still the exact diameter of the others?
By the way, thanks for all of your input.
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Maybe someone in the past was very cheap and would shave his/her dollars around the edge to same some silver. This is why reeding was invented by the Romans (I think it was them. What didn't they invent) to prevent people shaving down the edges of their gold coins.

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As a follow up to my last message, I forgot to say I have the same type of reedless Peace dollar. You can clearly see the grinding marks from a file or such!
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Yeah...I can see that "vestigial evidence of reeding" that SuperDave and others have pointed out. I'm betting bench vise and some sort of filing mechanism. Still begs the question, "why?"
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