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Bust Half Dime - A Downgrade Of An Upgrade

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I am working on the "big set" of 123 capped bust Half Dimes by Logan/McCloskey marriages and remarriages. I've got a PCGS registry set, mostly mid-AU to low-MS. I keep my eyes open for ones I need, or for upgrades to ones I have. This week, I got emotionally attached to an NGC 58 coin for a marriage I already had in an attributed PCGS holder in MS62. So of course, I bought it. Am I nuts?

Below are exhibits A and B. :-)

Bust-Half-Dime---A-Downgrade-Of-An-Upgrade
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 Posted 12/07/2022  6:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wallyb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yep. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so buy what YOU like.
Obviously you like toning, not for everyone but that's ok.
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You're nuts, but in a good way. I've done the same (not with Half Dimes). Then I think, why did I buy another one of those when I still need that other one?
Did you pick up any from the McCloskey collection sale?
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to me they seem to be pretty similar in terms of strike and wear. I think its a no brainer to get the colored coin. that attraction you are talking about is what everyone wants to feel when they see their coins. if you like white coins I think that one is an easily defensible pick as well. they are both nice. I like that speckled magenta-blue sort of color. I think its a great up/down grade!
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I personally like the PCGS coin.



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 Posted 12/07/2022  7:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bikergeek to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK, it's good to have confirmation that I am nuts, because I've suspected it for a while now.

@kbbpll, I did get a McCloskey coin - just one of the several that I bid on. I guess I spread my bids a little thin, and didn't win any more because of that. But to be honest a lot of his coins lacked the "drama" that I seem to be drawn to. The one I got was a pretty well-known Cud coin, 1836 LM-1.2, in AU58. But I got a crack at a super cool MS63 in a PCGS/CAC holder about 8 months later and sold it to a notable Cud collector.
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I agree that many of his coins in that sale weren't "dramatic" but I went crazy bidding on (and winning) one anyway. Turns out it's probably the same coin mentioned in a 1980 Coin World article, a 1903-S 10c variety, which is cool. Glad yours worked out. That's a really interesting coin. It's still listed as "make offer to owner" on HA, FYI.
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 Posted 12/07/2022  7:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bikergeek to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the heads up - I marked that McCloskey coin as "not mine" on HA.

Interesting to see the points of view here from different collectors. Some like 'em clean and shiny, others (like me) appreciate a little color on'em.

I try to find the toners with luster inside; that can be a trick. I think my new "down/upgrade" shows sparkle but I don't know until I have it in hand, which may be a few more days.
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If you have the money and you want to contribute to your dream, go right ahead. I get pleasure looking at and collecting coins. Done it all my life and will never stop. Go for it I say.
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If at all possible, we should never pass up the chance when offered to buy something *nice*
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I love gently-toned coins, but don't care at all for the NGC 58 example.
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I'll just throw this "out there": it's not easy to mimic original mint frost in Liberty's headband; and some have created quite a little cottage industry of peeling back layers of original (not always nice) toning on silver coins, to reveal what's really underneath
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Oldgrouchyguy, do you know how they do that? I'm always interested to know the secrets of the"coin doctors." It's easy to spot the crazy artificial toning that peyote are applying to, say, Morgan dollars a lot these days. But I'd be interested to hear about more precise techniques like you mention, so as to recognize them.
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I don't care much for toned coins - I prefer full luster blast white in MS+ grades.
But that is just me. - Why?
- One of the major problems with gently toned coins is, that the toning is unstable over the long term.

When it comes to toned coins,
to the eyes of most collectors, evenly toned coins are preferable to those with uneven or blotchy toning.
However, every collector must learn to discern the difference between naturally toned and artificially toned coins.

Apparently and unfortunately, the TPGraders seem to avoid comment on artificial toning, and just give an opinion on the grading only,
and
some collectors try to take advantage of this, when offering such coins for sale.
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I'm not a fan of the dark toned example but I say go for it when it appeals to you.
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