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Hi all! I recently just HAD to purchase this coin as it seemed like it had a lot of interesting things going on. From what I have deduced so far it is a 1786 New Jersey Copper Variety Maris 17-b (narrow shield) struck over a 1787 Connecticut Copper. What I need help with is .... A. Am I correct on the 1786 NJ variety 17-B? B. Is is possible to determine the CN variety it is struck over? I noticed the AUTORI has a uniquely low O and was hoping this might narrow it down? Since it has the Full date and enough detail from the CN copper that it might be possible to discern BOTH varieties and be a pretty awesome and unique piece.   |
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That's an exceptionally beautiful coin. I have never seen this particular overstrike (CT/NJ) but have seen lots of others (I have a CT struck over a Nova Constellatio, myself.)
I don't have my books here at work, but the Maris type for the NJ should be easier to nail down than the Miller type for the CT, so your attribution for the NJ should be correct.
For the CT all you have to go by is 1787 and what is left of the punctuation before INDE, and the reverse with the low O in AUCToRI and maybe * in front of it. If I had my books I could try to find a partial match.
A more interesting question might be how a coin dated 1786 was struck over a coin dated 1787. I'm wondering if this might actually be a CT struck over a NJ. The CT date is partially off the planchet, which would make at least some sense if it is one of the wider-planchet CT varieties (CT 1787 Miller 1.2-c @ 29.4mm, e.g.)
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12/19/2022 8:59 pm
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Paralyse...There is a star before the Auctori and there is also one before the IND. I found a reverse on Heritage that matches lot #15251. https://coins.ha.com/itm/colonials/...ption-071515But the obverse of that on has a slightly lower O of Auctori, but not as low as mine AND the R is much higher in relation to it. The "look" of the overall coin is that it is The NJ struck over the CN as the NJ letters seem to be "over" the CN ones. |
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Looks fairly close but I am not an expert on CT coppers. The variations between some of Miller's attributions can be very precise and detail-oriented.
I still believe that this is a CT struck over a NJ copper. Possibly as a test piece. But again, I am not an expert. I cannot think of any other way that a 1786-dated coin would be struck over a 1787-dated one, unless someone somehow found 1786 NJ dies and used them. (Is that possible? I don't know, but with colonials, weird is normal.)
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All the diagnostics I can see (including the date position and the two dots below the ETLIB and I can even see the E of that as well) are correct. I am probably going to send it in to be attributed-- which do you think would be better for this coin ANACS, or NGC? Do I have them research it or should I tell them what I believe it is?
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A fascinating coin and I look forward to hearing exactly what you've got there. Sorry that I can't add anything though.
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If you must slab it, PCGS or NGC for sure will be the best options. I am not sure they will (or can) attribute this coin without special handling services. Most of my colonials are not slabbed, including my overstrikes, so I do not know precisely.
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Very interesting coin and expert discussion. I look forward to any conclusions but alas I am not able to provide any input.
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The two HA links show coins from NGC,so maybe go with NGC? John1  |
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Posted 12/19/2022 8:13 pm
