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1879 Indian Head Cent MPD?

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 Posted 10/13/2022  7:13 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add CoinHI to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers

It was brought to my attention that this may be a MPD variety. I am looking for opinions or confirmation on this possibility, thanks!


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1879-Indian-Head-Cent-MPD?
"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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 Posted 10/13/2022  8:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stoneman227 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Indians are not my specialty but it sure does look to be good for a MPD.
Didn't see it listed
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 Posted 10/14/2022  04:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Have you looked here for some info:https://www.indianvarieties.com/fly...e-varieties/
MPD or RPD I don't know. I could not find a match on their site.
On your coin I do see the bottom of the 1 and something in the denticles as well as maybe something on the inside left on the 8.
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 Posted 10/14/2022  04:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add indian_hoarder to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Actually, it is not an RPD. Whoever designed the digit punch for 1879 must have been drunk, as the nub seen on the bottom of the 1 was present on the master, so all 1879 coins have it.
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 Posted 10/14/2022  1:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHI to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for the replies. I emailed Russell at Indianvarieties so I'm hoping for a reply. It doesn't seem the reference books have a listing for this as a MPD so I'm not sure what else to do.

"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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 Posted 10/16/2022  12:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shantiom to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi, two observations on obverse:

1. Left relief field in front on lips and nose, a minor die clash
2. The rims may have a repunched 8--there is a potential curve underneath the 8. Maybe that's what everyone is talking about in addition to the base of the 1?
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 Posted 10/16/2022  1:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am thinking the main PUP is in-between the denticles.
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 Posted 10/16/2022  1:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHI to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This coin has been sent to Rick Snow. I'll update this topic as I find out more, thanks for the comments!
"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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 Posted 10/16/2022  2:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This one appears to have the same MPD, if that's what it is. https://www.PCGS.com/cert/82214122
Obviously you'll have to save off the image and zoom way in.
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Thanks & good eye on that kbbpll, it does look like the same die. The lower left curve of the 8 shows the same indent line which I didn't notice on the other TrueViews. While that PCGS coin shows better detail on the diamonds, the fields and denticles are mottled compared to this coin. Whatever the feature turns out to be, it is showing up better on this coin.
"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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 Posted 10/16/2022  6:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHunter27 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Definitely looks good for an MPD to me. We'll see what Rick says, nice coin!

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 Posted 12/03/2022  1:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHI to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Finally got this back from Rick! Thanks to Smat45 for pointing my eyes in the direction of this and to John1 for helping with some links. This makes a discovery for me on a 1879 and a 1978 cent in the same month, now time to work on that 1798 I guess

1879-Indian-Head-Cent-MPD?
"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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Nice example too !
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 Posted 12/07/2022  5:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHI to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks 52Raymo!
"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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 Posted 12/08/2022  07:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jerry Picker to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome to the club! I have a few discovery coins in Rick's attribution files also. This isn't my coin but it is the variety I found at a FUN show and promptly sold it to Rick, who was there.

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https://www.indiancent.com/1859-1c-...-cent-p.html
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 Posted 12/13/2022  6:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHI to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks JerryPicker! I can't imagine 140+ year old varieties are found that often and I'm happy to be in the club!
"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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