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 Posted 12/30/2022  10:23 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi,
Could anyone point me in the right direction for this one?
Thanks in advance

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 Posted 12/30/2022  11:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@bac, well the engraver made their Vs and Ls virtually identical, but that looks like LVDOVICVS in your second image.
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LVDOVICVS IMP - Emperor Louis/Ludwig - not sure which one.

THROTMA[NNI?] - Dortmund.

Two clues, at least.
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Maybe it is Ludwig IV (1314-1347)?
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Thanks very much for all those pointers. The suggested legend looks spot on. I've trawled through MA-shops, Coin archives, numista and good old Google but no luck. It may need quite a specialised German language reference book to nail it down.
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I was thinking this royal image looked much earlier ...
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=731202

And I think the engraver was having a bad day I get VVDOVICVS MIP.

Indeed, Numista could benefit from adding this coin (let me know if I can help).
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A German immobilization of a Frankish coin, of course - that explains the problems with identifying the emperor and the somewhat garbled legend. Great work, @tdziemia!
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That's fantastic - thanks very much for that.ID.

Yes -Good idea that the image is added to Numista. I've never done that before - but I can have a go.
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I am about to travel, but will be in touch.
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