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@carr, looks thick—what's the weight?
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Solid strike, nice color, no visible luster, strong AU detail, no problems that I see. AU-55, maybe AU-58.
Nice type example for sure. Is the N-14c variety particularly unusual or valuable?
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Is the N-14c variety particularly unusual or valuable? nope. N-14 is an R-1. I dont think any of the die states are particularly scarce. c designates the size of the rim Cud at ~4:30 on the obverse. it starts a little smaller and gets a little bigger. |
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i'd say AU50 but the dullness of the coin may indicate that the original skin has been tampered with at some point in its life but grades straight imo. it looks like they attempted to remove something on the reverse from K7-K10 and what we are seeing is what was underneath.
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this is a die struck counterfeit. it was made from transfer dies that were created from a genuine host coin. I mentioned it had been off the market since 2011 because this same method has been used for many of the modern "superfakes" that had yet to make an appearance in 2011.
the likely source for this coin is the "bay area counterfeiter" who created quite a few excellent transfer die counterfeits. the aging process or possibly the metal stock was slightly wrong for those hence the odd surfaces that several of you commented on. when they first started to be discovered they had a slightly yellow appearance. they have since been weathered into all sorts of colors.
as spence noted the edge is wrong. a real braided hair cent will not balance on its edge. this is pretty common mistake counterfeiters make. their minting equipment is just too high quality. as this tell became more widely known unscrupulous dealers began rounding the edges of these fakes.
the manufacture of transfer dies have some of the same flaws as xerox copies. there is a small loss of definition. everything is just a little too round on this coin.
this coin was purchased as real. everyone gets burned sometimes. its probably worth more as a fake anyway.
i gave it a "no grade" cause its not real.
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Jeez, would have fooled me. I think I have a raw braided cent somewhere. If it balances on its edge would that be proof of counterfeit status?
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its a strong indicator. its not a fool proof method though. usually the edges are a bit rounded. things like edge bumps or strange planchet cuts can balance. some people are really good at balancing things and I cant really speak to what those types could do with them.
ill grab some other braided cents and take some pictures of them with this coin so you can see the difference.
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Very interesting thread @carr. I've noticed something similar about the edges of Chinese counterfeits of silver coins being off. The "third" side of the coin.
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Scary good copy. Only the odd rim gives it away. If they fix that we'll be in trouble.
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Scary good copy. Only the odd rim gives it away. If they fix that we'll be in trouble. thats no joke. I may be mistaken but I believe the bay area counterfeiter was active in the 1970s, so one would assume that if they wanted to they fixed that problem long ago. here are some real 1853 N-14s and a shot of the edges. you can probably figure out which one is the odd one out.   |
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Well, I'm humbled for sure.
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Well, I'm humbled for sure. i feel the same way. I bought it as real. i think that coins are good at humbling all fo us. there are so many things to learn. I also think that if you arent getting burned every once in a while you arent exploring enough. |
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