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Bronze Deposits On A Victorian Rupee - Removal?

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 Posted 01/14/2023  08:07 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add gerio2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I've acquired an 1879 India rupee.

The coin itself is in good condition, hardly worn, but it has clearly been stored alongside bronze coins or in an iron box. One section of the edge has a physical deposit of red/green oxide on top of the milling, thick enough to be rough to the touch.

I know coins shouldn't cleaned but the alternative is to leave the disfiguring encrustation in place.

Any thoughts about removing it? My guess is that, if it is not too harsh, something that dissolves iron oxide but leaves silver untouched.

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01/15/2023 06:25 am
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More likely silver sulfide, one of the typical corrosion products of atmospheric exposure of silver.

Given the great condition of the portrait, I can see why it bothers you.
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Looks like a candidate for Verdi-care.
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More likely silver sulfide, one of the typical corrosion products of atmospheric exposure of silver.


I'm not sure. Silver sulfide is black. These deposits are clearly red (iron oxide) and green (copper oxide)
Thanks anyway. And, yes, it is a nice coin.
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Looks like a candidate for Verdi-Care.

Thanks. Not availabe in the UK but I have ordered some from the US. I'll try it on something less special first and only use sparingly, with great care.
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What a crying shame! Please update if the verdi-care improves the situation!
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What a crying shame! Please update if the Verdi-Care improves the situation!
Will do!
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Unfortunately I do not think that the corrosion damage is reversible.

Although I am not a non ferrous metalurgical chemist, I suspect that copper has been involved with what we see here.
My theory is that the silver, and an outside copper source may have combined with the alloyed copper in the coin, to form a complex double salt of copper and silver sulfide / oxide.

This coin may? have spent some considerable time in a damp or humid environment, in direct contact with a copper or brass surface, inside a small box or similar. The physical / chemical result would be something like bronze disease.

Someone may be able to come up with a more plausible theory than mine.

Whatever the case, the corrosion damage seems to be permanent.


I have even seen a 22ct gold coin with pitted corrosion, that at been in direct contact with a damp rusty sheet steel surface in a ground burial environment.
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Although I am not a non ferrous metalurgical chemist, I suspect that copper has been involved with what we see here.
My theory is that the silver, and an outside copper source may have combined with the alloyed copper in the coin, to form a complex double salt of copper and silver sulfide / oxide.
Very interesting! Thank you. I'll report back in due course...
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