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Given the general lack of die markers for Buffalo nickels on VV, I struggle to attribute the dies when I do find them. I bought this nickel because I just totally love the toning/woody aspect, but upon examination seems to have a DDR. I think. The best I can guess is DDR-004, but honestly not too sure of much about the coin as nickels aren't my regular thing and I don't even understand how the alloy works for these to come up with the cool woody effect. So any help or comments would be super welcome. And my lighting isn't set up to optimize coin toning, and the coin looks even a bit better in hand than in the photos. 1930 Buffalo nickel doubled die reverse - toned    |
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For me seem more close with WDDR-003, CONECA: 3-R-IV, Cherry pickers: FS-05-1930-803 (017.4) in a VLDS. OF America show a DDD. IMHO. |
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Sorta looks like the Mikesmountainvalues coins, eh? Could be jiggered up like theirs are, but this was from a seller who doesn't have 25 treated coins up every week so figured it was probably good. Blue is not a good color as often the result of MS70 or similar, but the areas of copper make me think the coin is legit and not just a treated coin. But unsure. As for the DDR, I'd love it to be the FS-803, but how does one verify that? I think I need some kind of die marker since the two DDRs are pretty similar and the coin itself is a later die stage so things are a bit smushy. |
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TROP: This it is the description: Quote:
Description: A Class IV spread to the west shows on the E, the PLURI in PLURIBUS, and the UN in UNUM. Doubling also shows on the back of the left rear leg.
Die Markers: Obverse: None noted. Reverse: None noted. Clas IV: Quote:
Class 4 (IV) Offset Hub Doubling:
The misalignment event involved with this class of doubled die occurs when two hubbings have their centers misaligned directionally as opposed to rotationally. It is characterized as having doubling that is evenly spread in one direction. The doubling is unlike that found on Classes 1 or 5, where the misalignment-event shows a rotation at or near the center (class 1) or at or near the rim (class 5). Doubling is often rounded, found closer to the center, and when identified on numeric or alphabetic characters it will show notching.
Some examples are hemispherical and may involve tilt making them a hybrid Class 4 + 8. It is also possible, if not common, to have at least a small amount of rotation, see 1984 1c DDO-001.
It has been hypothesized that the reason many examples do not show doubling near the rim is because one of the hubbings only received an uncharacteristically incomplete hubbing. Such an incomplete hubbing would result in design elements not being pressed deep enough in the middle of the die, and not at all along the perimeter. The die originates in a conical shape until it is completely pressed down, if the incomplete hubbing was the first, the outer devices may not have been hubbed the first time around. Conversely, if the offset hubbing was second it would have to be incomplete for whatever reason. Edited by silviosi
01/15/2023 11:31 pm
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I say this as looking more close to RB and UN in EPU. Also from your photo the left leg, is very subtitle, an stage C? or D.
Edited by silviosi
01/16/2023 12:46 am
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Doubling aside, to quote Tony The Tiger, it looks Grrreat John1  PS,if you don't mind sharing the price you paid? |
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Interesting example!  |
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I'm going to stuff it in my next PCGS submission and just see what happens. I was looking at some of their true view buffalo varieties today and saw a couple mistakes so unsure how good they are with these anyway. The main plate coin, MS67+, for 1938-D/S FS-513 is just RPM-003.
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I'm going to stuff it in my next PCGS submission and just see what happens. Good luck! I look forward to the results.  |
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nice nickel, I love that obverse 'woody' appearance, Nice doubling too.
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Beautiful coin - I enjoy the toning.
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Looked at this one a couple times and leaning heavily towards DDR-004 as you said Bats. Not noticing the doubling in the rear leg that you'd see on DDR-003 FS-803. This one looks LMDS to me.
Color is crazy! Woody Buffs can be quite interesting. It doesn't look natural to me though. Maybe an MS70 bath followed by a hot water wash. Tends to have that affect. Only issue I see is a wheelmark on the reverse, only other thing besides the QC that may keep it from a straight grade holder. My 2 cents
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Thanks folks for all the great comments! It's kind of a tough decision about sending it in for grading. The benefit would be that PCGS True View would really make something like this look great. The downside is that with the Rolling Machine Damage it's probably a details coin even if not also questionable color. The DDR would be the kicker to make it worth doing, but unsure it is an FS coin. The cost for sending in such a thing is $56 and a recent email from PCGS notes that they are raising their prices because, well, they just do such fantastic work. So as the cost to slab any variety pushes $60 just for the coin in a slab it gets pretty tough to justify sending in iffy coins. I'd still like to see it in a PCGS True View slab, but hmmm. |
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