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1834 Coronet Head Large Cent For Grading You Vs PCGS

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Here is a neat coin that is currently being auctioned. if you want to guess the final sale price I think that could be fun too. ill post grade and final sale price on the 25th after it closes.

i dont own this coin and these arent my pictures.

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I'll say G-06.
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VG-10
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F12 is it though?

I don't think so just what I think PCGS called it.

Price wise? $47.50

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is it though?


its one of the varieties I dont have.

edited to add:

reading is hard. I read tough not though...
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I think this is one of the very few Matron Heads which I do recognize. Large 8, large stars, large letters, N-6?

I say VG8, and around $150.
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VG8 maybe VG10. not touching price on this one I'll defer that to GERMANICVS. I do agree with LARGE 8, Large Star, Large letters
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I can't get above VG-10.
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its not an N-6
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Not N-6? ........Now I am curious !
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i guess I was off by a day.

PCGS graded it Proof 10. it closed a little bit ago at $28,800.

the stacks description does it more justice than I ever could.

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here is a link to the sale page https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/l...f-10-bn-PCGS
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Color me surprised a rare proof? I'll be danged! Very cool Jim Thanks for sharing it - I must have missed it looking over auction items this round.

P.S. I see the ANA Summer Seminar is listing the class you are teaching with Kevin Vinton instead of Mark B, hope all is well with Mark.
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the summer seminar class is with kevin. it will be our 3rd time teaching it together. the eac convention seminar is maybe with mark. I taught it by myself at eac 2022 where mark offerd to add his expertise in 2023. ive sent him a couple messages recently and I havent heard from him. I need to redouble my efforts. I know he moved and has been more involved with family recently so hopefully thats wht he is up to and all is well with him.
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My expertise isn't in large cents. How does this low grade proof differentiate from a similar 1834 matron head large cent in VG? I read in the Stacks auction that it was cherrypicked in the 1990's, it's quite impressive that they were able to tell.
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How does this low grade proof differentiate from a similar 1834 matron head large cent in VG?


there are seven different die marriages for 1834.

N-5,6 and 7 have a large 8 in the date and large size stars.

the N-6 and the N-7 have large letters reverses.

once you have it narrowed down to one of those two coins its pretty easy to tell them apart if you know what to look for.

this is my 1834 N-6:
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the N-6 dies are quite similar to the ones used for the 34 N-7. the auction record for N-7s likely goes abck to teh 1860's but they werent described as a unique variety until the 1940s.

the biggest difference on the obverse is the circumflous die crack on the N-6. that obverse die was used for N-5 and N-6 and both varieties are only known with the die crack (as far as I know).

the biggest difference on the reverse is that the top of the middle crossbar on the F in oF is defective on the N-6 and normal on the N-7.
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