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Bedrock of the Community
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VG8 maybe VG10. not touching price on this one I'll defer that to GERMANICVS. I do agree with LARGE 8, Large Star, Large letters
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Not N-6? ........Now I am curious !  |
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Edited by CarrsCoins
01/24/2023 3:29 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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Color me surprised a rare proof? I'll be danged! Very cool Jim Thanks for sharing it - I must have missed it looking over auction items this round. P.S. I see the ANA Summer Seminar is listing the class you are teaching with Kevin Vinton instead of Mark B, hope all is well with Mark. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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the summer seminar class is with kevin. it will be our 3rd time teaching it together. the eac convention seminar is maybe with mark. I taught it by myself at eac 2022 where mark offerd to add his expertise in 2023. ive sent him a couple messages recently and I havent heard from him. I need to redouble my efforts. I know he moved and has been more involved with family recently so hopefully thats wht he is up to and all is well with him.
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My expertise isn't in large cents. How does this low grade proof differentiate from a similar 1834 matron head large cent in VG? I read in the Stacks auction that it was cherrypicked in the 1990's, it's quite impressive that they were able to tell.
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How does this low grade proof differentiate from a similar 1834 matron head large cent in VG? there are seven different die marriages for 1834. N-5,6 and 7 have a large 8 in the date and large size stars. the N-6 and the N-7 have large letters reverses. once you have it narrowed down to one of those two coins its pretty easy to tell them apart if you know what to look for. this is my 1834 N-6:   the N-6 dies are quite similar to the ones used for the 34 N-7. the auction record for N-7s likely goes abck to teh 1860's but they werent described as a unique variety until the 1940s. the biggest difference on the obverse is the circumflous die crack on the N-6. that obverse die was used for N-5 and N-6 and both varieties are only known with the die crack (as far as I know). the biggest difference on the reverse is that the top of the middle crossbar on the F in oF is defective on the N-6 and normal on the N-7. |
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Only $28,000 huh?
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Very interesting. I was not aware of this variety.
I found these comments which describe a few additional differences between N-6 and N-7.
Quote: "On the obverse (of N-7) the left edge of the curl is just to the right of the center of the 3. On N-5 and N-6 it is over the left edge of the 4.
On the reverse the point of the leaf is below the right edge of the second S in STATES"
On N-6 the right edge of the S is slightly past the point of the leaf.
Edited by GERMANICVS
01/25/2023 08:19 am
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since this variety is only available in proof it doesn't always show up in the normal searches. for instance if you go to PCGS coinfacts and ask it about the varieties of large letter reverse 1834s it will only give you the N-6 (the only business strike large letter reverse variety). since its the only proof only middle date it occupies a strange spot. many people dont really consider it to be part of the middle date variety collection.
to me its part of the set. I would like to have one eventually. if I cherrypicked one I would keep it. I was not a serious bidder this time around. to me 5 figure coins are getting into a price range where the other options that life has to offer outweigh the value of owning an object. I think everyone has a price point where that is the case.
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Bedrock of the Community
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well at least several of us had the numerical grade. this isn't fair. I quit  |
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this isn't fair. I quit lol! i think that variety identification is a prerequisite for grading early copper correctly. different varieties have different qualities like centering and strike. some come with rusted dies or die swelling that can obliterate big chunks of the coin. some have different relief that can lead to different strikes. the really rare ones even have legacy grading that holds today despite grade-flation. sometimes poor quality is forgiven (chain cents or S-79 for example). sometimes the standards are higher for a specific coin (randall hoard varieties). this is true in other series as well. different dates of Morgan dollars are graded to different standards. |
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Sure didn't see that coming. Good thing I didn't bet against that being Proof.
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