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IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Is this color accurate NS? Has it already made a trip through acetone?
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Bedrock of the Community
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Don't have it in hand. Will post my pics when it comes in.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Bedrock of the Community
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AU-58 but jury is out regarding the color until you post new photos.
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looks au to me. hopefully the scratches on the cheek and neck are on the holder. if its the color I think it is (a nice olive over orange) I think it will be an attractive coin.
price seems reasonable.
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Bedrock of the Community
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AU55
these photos may not be accurate as to how this one looks in person.
at that grade the coin should not have that surface dull look to it. on the other hand it could be a real looker. i'll reserve final comments on that until you get it
if it grades straight then you did ok. if it doesn't then you paid a little too much
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So I think I purchased a FAKE coin. The coin did not look right when I received it and I decided to weigh it. A real 1853 Half Cent weighs 5.44 grams. This coin weighs 5.16 grams so it is underweight by more than 5%. A real 1853 Half Cent is 23mm in diameter. This coin is 22.44mm in diameter which is 2.4% smaller in diameter. The coin looks like a well done fake, but the weight and dimensions are very far off.     IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Need to let Jack see this one for sure.
Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis Edited by paralyse
02/03/2023 7:31 pm
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Thanks paralyse. What is Gary's username here?
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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It has "burfle" in it, I forget if there's a number after it.
Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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Thanks! Is Jack's name Gary? I guess no one really names their kid Jack.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
02/03/2023 7:14 pm
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Another return in the works  You realize when you know how to think, it empowers you far beyond those who know only what to think.
-Neil deGrasse Tyson
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I typed Gary (a customer's name) which is what happens when trying to work and do CCF at the same time!
Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis Edited by paralyse
02/04/2023 1:00 pm
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interesting. ill spend some time on this one and see if I can find a tell. I didnt try to attribute it the first time around because there is only one die variety for this year (and no valuable dies states or proofs). the major tells for a legit coin are all there so whoever made it did a quality job. wrong diameter is pretty bad news.
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I compared the coin to an MS66 example on PCGS coinfacts and one of the things that stands out is that this coin has a better strike than the highest graded coins for this issue. See the stars in the obverse.  The design is extremely close and well done, but I think I see a stark difference in Half Cent in the reverse. The fake coin appears to have sharp edges at the edges of the lettering. The genuine coin has rounded edges at the lettering. This also seems to be the case at OF AMERICA in the reverse. This could be explained if the MS66 coin is an impression from a later die state though. The right side of the reverse in the fake coin seems weakly struck based on the lack of detail in the dentils missing from the rim in that area. But OF AMERICA in the reverse seems more sharply struck in the fake coin in spite of the weakness in the rim in that area. This may be a function of the die set up but it still seems odd. The design transfer is still dramatically well done.  IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
02/03/2023 11:28 pm
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Dr. Manley lists 2 states for 1853
M1.0: Small lump on cheek. Full denticles. Die file line from right arm of 1st t in STATES down through the base of the T to the berry below
M2.0: Repolished die. Rev very slightly rotated. Right side denticles weak. Die file line is faint or absent.
Your coin seems on the surface to be a very well struck example of Manley's 2.0 state, which is listed as "scarce." The appearance of the lettering would be due to recutting. But if it ends up being a fake, it might be that a M2.0 was used as the original example.
I think Ed Fuhrman could also look at this coin in light of the ongoing concerns.
Also on 1853 there is a tiny chip or "dot" on the base of the letter T in CENT, on both die states.
Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis Edited by paralyse
02/04/2023 1:02 pm
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