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Looking For Identification Help On A Potential Hungarian Denar

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Have been stuck on this one for some time.

The crosses with circles remind me of Denars issued by Bela IV of Hungary, but I'm not finding a solid match in my reference books. Also, the letterforms seem to be right for Europe in that 1000 to 1300 AD range. This silver coin is pretty tiny: the diameter is 13 to 14 mm while the weight is 0.3 g.

Any thoughts from the hive on what I've got here? Thx in advance.


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Looks Italian to me.
And it looks like the engraver liked to mess around with letter positions.

Any possibiity the first photo could have DE V for "of Verona"? If I recall, those Verona denaros have some really stylized blocky lettering.

And the second photo clearly has an A written inverse to the normal way, possible with an R on its left.

Added: Similarities to this one: https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2397788
I can now see the word VERONA is in the second photo, not the first.
And I am pretty sure you have another one in your collection.
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Here is the Numista link, with inscriptions deciphered: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces151549.html

I can see the characters as described in Numista, although with shifted and mirrored C's and tight ligatures:

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Nice thx @tdz and @era--you guys rock!
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The other one in your collection is in this thread: http://goccf.com/t/363636&SearchTerms=Verona
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Yikes that is embarrassing.

Clearly I've been spending too much time looking Hungarian coins and need to take a step back to look broadly in my own collection.
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