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Moderator
 United States
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...m=8395587139The seller has posted very nice pics of the coin. It's slabbed by a TPG which is, um, not noted for being in the very highest tier of respectability and conservative grading. Yet, the grade is only MS63. To look at it, the coin is excellent. I'd probably think MS65 based on the photos, maybe better. Between the look and the grade, all sorts of alarm bells are going off in my head. So, as a learning experience, why might this coin only see MS63 from a company which is known to overgrade? I have my own theories, but I want to hear more ideas from you guys. And, no, I have no intention of bidding on this coin. It's clearly too good to be true.
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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I treated the coin to my blue shift I use on gold coins It looks like something happened to the cheeck Look at the very small part of chin that looks original and the lips left part and nose , but the cheeck looks bad with two orange like spots . Almost Uncirculated ? instead of MS  |
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Forum Mom
United States
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I see rub on the breast and leg feathers also. I think this would grade out AU55-AU58. I do not believe this is an UNC coin.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I agree that the coin does not look unc to me , but the coin also has a lack luster appearance that makes me think cleaned , especially on the obverse, perhaps album dusted , the reverse has a much brighter more natural appearance.
Rick
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Originally posted by Metalman
I agree that the coin does not look unc to me , but the coin also has a lack luster appearance that makes me think cleaned , especially on the obverse, perhaps album dusted , the reverse has a much brighter more natural appearance.
Rick
That's my opinion - I think the thing was dipped to the point of measurable weight loss. Ageka, I have to try that blue shift. I've been doing color inversions to get the same effect, but your idea is pretty cool. |
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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Ageka, I have to try that blue shift. I've been doing color inversions to get the same effect, but your idea is pretty cool.
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Around 1978 I got a training in colormatching from a company ACS in Princeton New Jersey who made spectrophotometer based computersystems to match colors . Mercedes would send us a piece of leather for next years car and ask us to match the color and leather grain in plastic
At the time there ware 3 formulas that tried to divide the color globe in real equidistant units but that did not work because the eye only saw a difference of 4 units in orange but saw 0.1 unit in grey
Anyway the formula I liked best was called CIE L*A*B if I remember correctly and I always favoured the blue axis because anything not green or blue would show up problems in the region were our eyes are feeble ( yellow-oranje )
I guess with untoned silver a black and white pic would even be better theoretically but I never got used to black and white
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Valued Member
United States
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I agree with Susan,I would not buy this coin as it is not unc and has no original luster.
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Forum Kid
Kuwait
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Definitely a touch of the magic ingredient, Cleaning!
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Rest in Peace
United States
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I agree with Rick. My first impression was that the Morgan had been dipped. But given that the 1921 Morgans were about the weakest strikes of all Morgans, I can't rule out the possibility that it is, in fact uncirculated. However, given NTC's reputation for over-grading, given that it gave this Morgan only an MS-63 whereas it usually gives uncirculated Morgans MS-66s to MS-68s, and applying the usual subtraction factor, it becomes almost axiomatic that it's probably circulated.
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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Originally posted by Morgan Fred
I agree with Rick. My first impression was that the Morgan had been dipped. But given that the 1921 Morgans were about the weakest strikes of all Morgans, I can't rule out the possibility that it is, in fact uncirculated. However, given NTC's reputation for over-grading, given that it gave this Morgan only an MS-63 whereas it usually gives uncirculated Morgans MS-66s to MS-68s, and applying the usual subtraction factor, it becomes almost axiomatic that it's probably circulated.
This is irrefutable logic  But forgive a novice who never dipped silver would dipping account for the chin , nose line which is clean and the cheek which is not ? |
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