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 Posted 03/08/2009  09:45 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add 0076 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi new to this forum I have been reading complaints about sgs grading company I have one for all of you out there sent a 1797 large cent to ANCS second time it has been graded. First time said cleaned spoiled planchet second time paid 45.00 for extra research got it back grade higher full reverse brockage it has a triple strike. I went to my favorite dealer he spotted triple strike to. So now I have to take it to high resolution scanner take information to a large coin show to prove my point. So who do you TRUST it seems to me the top 3 grading companys all they care about is big dealers not average joe.............
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First off . I am surprised they did not see the triple strike first time around Sounds like a nice coin The TPG's with all their supposed expertise can be just as subjective as anyone. I nail most of my coins before submission but have had some doubts about returned grades. Upon confronting the graders at the coin shows, grade covered of course, they would grade the coin as I have prior to submission. When I peel the tape off, they have a confused look as to why their graders determined that grade. Sometimes, I believe the graders just have bad days like we do once in a while. As far as SGS, stay away. They have no idea what they are doing. A VF coin will come back MS65. Seriously.
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 Posted 03/08/2009  10:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome to Coin Community, 0076. Are you referring to ANACS?

If that's the case, I'm rather surprised by your experience. First, because ANACS is generally pretty good with continuing to describe a coin they've determined to be cleaned - they've been slabbing problem coins for years before NGC or PCGS picked up the habit. NGC and PCGS will generally just bodybag a coin immediately once they determine it's been cleaned, and do nothing further with it (unless you specifically ask for PCGS' new "Genuine" service or submit thru NGC's NCS division).

Second, their highest published attribution fee per coin is $10, so I wonder what they charged you $45 for.

This has got to be quite the coin - although they're hardly my specialty, this is the first brockage of a Draped Bust Cent I've heard of. Could you possibly post pictures of the coin?
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this is the first brockage of a Draped Bust Cent I've heard of. Could you possibly post pictures of the coin?

I know Super, I have never seen a brockage Draped Bust Cent either. I'm sure it's a wonderful piece.
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 Posted 03/08/2009  1:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 0076 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The $45.00 fee was so that they would do extensive research, which they didn't. Said it was a triple strike and they didn't even take the time to check. There are 2 heads on the front and a head on the back. Tell me how I can take a decent picture through the slab and I will post it. My post was that I'm gun shy of all graders right now because ANACS has had this coin twice and have missed it both times. Ridiculous
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My post was that I'm gun shy of all graders right now because ANACS has had this coin twice and have missed it both times. Ridiculous

That's odd ANACS is generally consistent. What I do is put a piece of felt(usually grey) if you don't have felt the inside backing of a cereal box does well too. Put this down slightly elevated off of a table directly under a well lit light source and put the coin down in the same manner(slightly elevated). This is what I do and it takes the glare off the slab. Hope that helps. Can't wait to see the coin!
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 Posted 03/08/2009  8:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add marlouis to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have to throw our Two Cents in about SGS. This past weekend, we went to visit my ( Louis ) mom who is getting up in years. Therse an antique store not far from her house and Marlene and I go there to see some of the coins that they sell there. We had bought an SGS graded 1974-S Ike graded at MS-70. When I looked at the coin, It wasnt coming to mind that an MS70 coin is suppose to be flawless. There are a couple of hairlines on the coin. I myself would grade the coin as MS65, maybe 63. Were just that much smarter now about SGS.

My wife and I have talked about us grading coins for ourselves and for others, and not rip people off or gouging them. We just want to help people out. And were learning as we go along, but were not afraid to take the chances or the risks to help ourselves and others.

Thanks for hearing us out.

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Tell me how I can take a decent picture through the slab and I will post it.


Use this Link for how to get the pictures posted. As far as pictures through a slab, just try to cut down on reflection, no flash, and straight onto the coin. As close as you can get with good lighting will be key since we are looking for strike issues. It may be hard to get decent pictures at first, but you will get them eventually.
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Ok me again and because I'm new I and need some help. I have pictures of the coin I've been talking about but how do you attach links to photos so that I can post them. Thanks for your help.
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Good help is available right here at CCF:

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I've read how to upload a photo, taken my popup blocker off and still don't get the camera icon to upload pictures. Help!
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It will not show up if you are using the Quick Reply, you have to use the Reply to Topic link.
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 Posted 03/10/2009  5:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 0076 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is the coin that I started this post about. You let me know if you don't think ANACS dropped the ball not just once but twice.

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 Posted 03/10/2009  5:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wowser.

I've been researching this; there are apparently a few error coins - brockages and double strikes - for this date.

I'm not going to blindly defend ANACS here, but I can see how a grade might hold this coin and say, "What?" to himself. However, having decided it was genuine, it's obviously worthy of significant research to try and determine what got it to this point. I infer that ANACS does consider this coin genuine?

Wander over to EACS - https://www.http://www.eacs.org/, and click the bottom link (Directory of Officers). Find the Chairman for your geographical region, and email them about this coin.

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 Posted 03/10/2009  5:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 0076 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In the two times ANACS has graded this coin, its never been questioned whether it is genuine or not. This is why I paid $44.00 on the second grade for research to be done and they did nothing.
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