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Lincoln Cents-Mind Boggling

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 Posted 03/08/2009  8:32 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add meckl9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I just wanted to vent. My patience is wearing thin but I still continue to look for needles in this haystack. $9.00 still to go out of the $25.00 bank box.

WAM's
CAM's
Wheats
Proofs
Rotated Dies
Double Dies
68s
69s
70s71s
72s
73s
74s

and I'm sure I am missing others.
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 Posted 03/08/2009  11:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SPQR to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK, if you find yourself losing patience, for pity's sake STOP for a bit. This is a hobby; it's supposed to be fun. Y'know, fun, relaxing, enjoyable....a hobby. If you aren't enjoying it, you might just as well be at work....right?
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 Posted 03/08/2009  11:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add marlouis to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I did the same thing last week. You've got to stop. Take a breath, Go to church, watch a few T.V. shows, take another deep breath and pick up where you left off.

You may be trying to do too much in a short period of time. Set some time for yourself for God, some time for relaxation, some time for the family, enjoy life a little bit, then go back to it. It's a hobby. It's suppose to be fun. Not drive you to insanity or to an early grave!

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 Posted 03/09/2009  12:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chadwick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I could search rolls for a living. I love it. Its like a Zen thing.
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 Posted 03/09/2009  12:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add norseman012 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
with chadwick. I can do this for a living if I could. I hope to open a little coin store someday. But the only thing wrong with that is I will not want to sell any of the coins.
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 Posted 03/09/2009  11:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PennehChaos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You're forgetting re-punched mintmarks and copper 1983s :)

Personally, I can't be bothered with rotated dies, WAMs/CAMs, or anything that can't be seen with the naked eye on a very quick inspection. If I felt obligated to check for *everything*, I'd quit too!
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 Posted 03/09/2009  11:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yotie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
copper 83s?
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 Posted 03/09/2009  11:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is about searching for anything out of the ordinary, and there's no rule about how fast you have to go. Do a roll a day or whatever makes you feel comfortable. You are also not obligated to find everything - if you miss one once in a while nobody's going to fire you.

PennehChaos - I don't mean to sound harsh about this, but if you're looking for naked eye stuff only you might as well quit while you're ahead. Most of the decent stuff that's worth messing with isn't going to pop out and yell at you without magnification. And for Pete's sake, Wide AM and Close AM cents ARE naked eye visible. They are about the easiest thing to pick out of change these days that have some return value.

And for everyone - If you are actually looking for value in cents received from the bank, stop the old-time YN thing of picking out wheat cents and Canadian cents and leaving the rest to the bank. That's a waste of time if you're looking for valuable coins. 99% of all the wheat cents you will find in change today are worth 4 cents. If you learn what to look for in value, you will find more of those than wheat cents, and the reward will be 10 times greater.

There is a very strong doubled die reverse for 2004P that can bring $100 in BU. There are at least two different 2006P doubled die obverse cents that will bring close to the same thing - about $100 in BU. There's always the 1995 DDO that will bring $10-$20, then the 1995D DDO that can fetch upwards from $100 - as much as $400 depending on grade...these are just a few of the top examples that popped immediately into my head while typing. There are dozens of different doubled dies in the memorial cents alone that bring an easy three figures if you find them. You would spend countless hours going through hundreds of thousands of coins to find enough 4 cent wheats to come up to that amount. And geesh - I feel cheated when I run across a Canadian cent.

If you don't know the difference between Machine Doubling and a doubled die and you're letting that stop you, then it's time to learn the difference. The easiest way to do this is to buy an inexpensive doubled die, study it, look at the differences in characteristics between the doubled die and a machine doubled coin, and use that in your future searches to help learn the differences. My 12 year old can tell the difference in a flash, so I'm sure any adult can too. It just takes a little time and patience.

I see a lot of posts about 'roll finds' and wonder just how many valuable coins people are skipping by pulling out circulated 1945 cents that have little or no value and separating out bronze cents from the zinc thinking they will someday profit from that. I wonder whether the same people might have passed over something truly amazing for which they could have been the discoverer and made a handsome reqard for finding and selling. One of the members here discovered a major doubled die reverse on a 1982 cent that has been valued at an estimated $1,000. ANYBODY can do it...it just takes patience.
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 Posted 03/09/2009  11:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yotie - There are a number of different 'possible' coins to look for that haven't necessarily been confirmed as existing, or that have only one known example...like a brass composition 1983 cent. Perhaps the eighth different 1982 cent (which would be a 1982D small date brass cent). Or maybe a 1973 cent with the reverse of a 1972 cent. Maybe a 1974 cent with the reverse of a 1973 cent.

A whole list of 'possibles' exist that might or might not be out there waiting to be found, but we never know if we deny their existence without checking. I have been looking for a 1974 cent with a 1973 reverse for 32 years now...and still haven't found one. But that doesn't make me stop - if it doesn't exist I will never find it, naturally...but if it does, I might just be the first to run into one.
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 Posted 03/09/2009  5:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PennehChaos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@coppercoins-

Everyone is in the hobby for different reasons. I'm amazed by the work you've done researching all the die varieties, but I could never do it.

With my Super Pennehmatic 3000 (tm), I can take $100 in cents, and in 4-5 hours (which is about all the time I have to devote to coin hunting during the average week), I'll end up with about half a roll of wheats, a few Canadians, a few "S" mints, and some odds and ends- planchets, IHCs, lamination errors, oddball counterstamps, and so forth, as well as $15-$20 face in copper. Mostly worth little more than face, but interesting to me.

So unless I get skunked with a mixed-zinc box (happened often enough that I weigh them out before I open them), for my time investment I always have a substantial pile of "win".

If I were to apply that same amount of time to examining each coin under a microscope, especially while still trying to build a mental database of what to look for, I could easily end up going through less than a box of coins and having nothing but a pile of "fail" after 5 hours.

In profit terms, I guess I'm playing the slot machines rather than the lottery :) It's just how I roll.
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 Posted 03/09/2009  9:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add highroller4321 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, if you are feeling burnt out Take a break! It becomes fun again after a break
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 Posted 03/09/2009  9:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Understood. You're taking the short-route to small profit which is a good way with ample coins and no time. I just wouldn't want the beginners to think this is the only route. With some time and patience anyone can be a big winner at cherrypicking die varieties.

Another small note - it doesn't take much to learn what to look for because you look for the characteristics - don't try memorizing every die. Know a doubled die and look at everything for a doubled die. Don't learn 1968D-1DR-001 and only look for that...if you know what I mean. Makes no sense to memorize the close-AM 1992 and 1992D, then the Wide AM 1998, 1999, and 2000 coins and try to keep all that straight while looking. Just remember the switch over in 1993 and check everything. Much easier to remember, easier to do, and 'could' produce a new discovery when you find that yet unknown 1994 Wide AM.
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 Posted 03/10/2009  06:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dreamstones to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks coppercoins! I'm always appreciative when you take some time to help us out. I know I learn a little something from everyone. As I continue to learn I hunt anywhere from 10-20 rolls in a sitting so I don't get frustrated and so my eyes don't get too tired. I am particularly excited with the WAMs (don't really know why, just am) and get a kick every time I find one.
meckl9...as stated several times...slow down and enjoy yourself!
Thanks for letting me ramble on!
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 Posted 03/10/2009  1:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You're welcome - happy to spend time here helping other collectors.
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 Posted 03/10/2009  6:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PennehChaos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
After about half an hour I lose the ability to distinguish WAMs with the naked eye... I end up setting aside a pile that can go either way, then go through that a second time after resting my eyes for a while (and discover that they're all "normal").

Can any of the double-dies be seen without magnification? I always look a little more closely at 55s and 95s, but have yet to see anything special.
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 Posted 03/10/2009  7:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dbrablec to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
as l very long time collector (over 45) years, and after discovering this site, I have found a renewed appreciation for collection coins. so far, (and it hasn't really been very long that I have been looking for some of the varieties) I haven't discovered ANY. sometimes it feels a bit like going fishing - every day - but never catching anything. I anticipate that when I do make my first "catch" it will fuel my interest. over the years, I have accumulated several thousand (6 to 7 - thousand) wheat's. technically they remain - UNsearched, in as much as I have never searched them looking for varieties. after I catch up with the old wheat's, I have a similar task waiting with as many - or more LMC. all this before I even need to go to bank boxes. (although I have done that - recently also. in any case - for my collecting value - I have REdiscovered a new interest in an old hobby. thanks to all here.
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