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Valued Member
United States
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Another buying opportunity is coming! Who else will be buying? I'm planning to buy in when it hits $20/ounce retail.
Cheers!
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Moderator
 United States
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hmm, price of silver down, but cost of mint silver products up. Is this a new math I'm not aware of yet?
Edited by Dearborn 02/24/2023 5:57 pm
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Valued Member
 United States
397 Posts |
I wasn't aware premiums were up? SD Bullion has Britannias at $2.99 over spot right now, and 1 kilo bars at $1.69 above spot.
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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You are never going to win at the " Silver Ponzi" game . Price drops are irrelevant because the premiums just go up !!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The $SLV (silver tracking stock/etf) is down to $19.09 today, looks like some support at this level but if it breaks through support, $18 looks like a good bet. Considering its down -13% in less than 1 month, IMO we're overdue for a bounce from here. I'd be looking at ITM or just slightly OTM Calls for a quick flip vs. buying physical.
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Valued Member
 United States
397 Posts |
@Pacificoin Honestly, I think that's actually somewhat of a misconception. Spot price and physical price are not 100% correlated, but they are correlated eventually, meaning there may be a time lag. ASE premiums have come down, so have generic Buffalos. The retail demand for silver is normalizing against physical supply. For better or for worse, at this point, paper silver still drives physical silver prices, to a certain degree. That correlation is larger than what some may expect, or care to admit, though. And I say this with the utmost respect, because in my opinion, I do agree that the paper silver market is a scam and manipulated by the powers that be. That said, retail customers still largely base the "fair" price in their mind on silver spot, so even though there may be reluctance on the seller to capitulate, they will eventually need to capitulate, in order to move product. @coin rejector Maybe I should start buying some SLV in the near future!
Edited by AllSeasons 02/24/2023 6:51 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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With a bullion dealer, margins and cash flow are the basis for their profits over taxes and business operating costs. For the stasher, compounded inflation costs over time between the time of buy and sell have to taken into account, as well as tax costs above the compounded inflation rate. If you don't have a good working knowledge of these, you are 1). - only really stacking for fun, or 2). - driven by the psychological need to build a collection of like objects. I am guilty of both. If the stasher is to make a real profit above inflation and taxes, you have very astute with the buy and sell prices combined with some luck with their exact timing. If silver is currently down to $20.70, for most stashers, probably not a good time to sell (less chance of a profit). Otherwise just ignore the current price. 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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@AllSeasons.... You seem knowledgeable but here's a quick read regarding the $SLV.... https://www.investopedia.com/articl...rust-etf.asp I've been in/out of the $SLV over the years w/ Options, which are.... (the right to buy the stock, not own the stock) its somewhat of a complicated trading strategy. That being said, I think in our current environment (rising interest rates, probability of a recession, etc.) any long term duration investment or holding actual physical, has a better chance of paying off within the next 5 years vs. incurring a negative return on your investment. I do believe we could see another run on the price of silver, similarly to what happened in 2009-2011. Simply my humble opinion.
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Valued Member
 United States
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@coin rejector I'm actually not that familiar with SLV, and how closely they mimic the price of silver, or how leveraged they are. I'm mostly looking at the macro trends, which granted is easier to manipulate in a smaller market like silver. Anyway, my thinking is that the market will eventually capitulate to the Fed's interest rate hikes, and likely result in another GFC event. That would probably crash the price of paper silver, which is used to pay for margin calls in the stock market. When the Fed eventually eases again, that would send the price of silver and gold soaring again. The one thing I'm not sure about is the timing. But if I did, I would be a billionaire and sipping martinis in the Bahamas, but I'm not.
Cheers!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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You all known the price of silver is almost irrelevant ? If you take the average cost of silver over decades it barely kept up with inflation? For example if you owned silver in 1981 it cost on average $10.89 per ounce and average per capita income was $22,390, in 2022 the average price of silver was 23.33 per ounce but the average income was $54,132.
In 1981 it would have taken the average worker 1 hour to buy 1 ounce of silver.
In 2022 it would have taken the average worker .9 of an hour or 54 minute of work to buy an ounce of silver.
It would have been cheaper to buy silver in 2022.
Edited by hfjacinto 02/24/2023 8:33 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Time to do some buying but I lack motivation. I know that if I wait the opportunity will be gone, but it won't be the first time.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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Valued Member
 United States
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@hfjacinto It really depends on your time horizon. Precious metals, especially physical metal, generally speaking, are a store of value over the long term. However, when you look at silver, its prices are a lot more volatile compared to gold, so there are more shorter term opportunities, especially when it comes to the paper market. Silver spot price tends to mimic the market more, especially the NASDAQ, because silver is an industrial metal associated with (electric) car batteries, circuit boards, solar panels, etc. So while I don't disagree with your comment long term, I think in the short to medium term, there is money to be made in the paper market, by taking advantage of the gyrations in the market.
Now, as for risk appetite, that's another entirely different thing. The rule of thumb of investing is only invest what you can afford to lose, but with silver, it's very unlikely that you would lose everything, like a company going bankrupt. So in that sense, it is actually a safer investment than high growth companies that may or may not be a going concern in a year or two.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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hfjacinto has made the "store of value" argument effectively. If the worker had stashed away dollar bills instead of silver his buying power would be down by 70% over the same time period. While silver is not the same as a growth stock as an investment, it far outperforms paper money and has the same relative buying power it had 40 years ago.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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Valued Member
 United States
397 Posts |
@thq I'm not disagreeing with hfjacinto over the long term. I was referring to opportunities in the short to medium term. But even if we were talking about the long term, I would rather have bought in at $20/ounce last year vs. $30/ounce the year before. Yes, eventually you're fine, but it would take longer to make you whole again, and your annualized return would be lower. It's just math.
Edited by AllSeasons 02/25/2023 9:16 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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@allseasons, I agree short term, there is opportunity to make hefty gains. I purchased a lot of ASE in 2019 @ $17 a coin, completing my 1986 to 2019 Dansco with the average coins costing me about $25. Doing that same set today the average coin is about $45, making a $20 profit per coin (average) so one can make a profit buying and selling silver, but you have to take into account storage, capital gains (taxes), insurance, etc, and finally what are you going to put your money into? I have a small stash because I like silver, but it's not going to support me in retirement. I'm much better off "investing" in the S&P 500 or Russell 2000 index funds long term, but it's nice to have some precious metals, you never know when you'll need some cash quick.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I try to buy the dips and sales. But sometimes I should have waited. I took out a minimum distribution last month, added some cash and bought a 2023 1 oz gold buffalo, then gold dropped about $85.  I think it will go higher in the long run.
Edited by livingwater 02/26/2023 12:00 pm
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