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Please Help Me Create A 1983 P Dime "Error Resource"

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 Posted 02/26/2023  1:38 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add KBecker to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi Gang,

I came across this 1983P Roosevelt dime that looks like it's rife with errors. Searching around the internet, I found many posts on forums like ours as well as youtube, tiktok, etc... from people showing dimes with one or more of all the issues my dime has. On this forum alone, a search for "1983P error dime" turns up dozens of results from over the years (apparently 1982 and 1983 were lousy-ish years for the Roosevelt dime)

It gave me the inspiration to create something like a "catch-all post" resource that can be a reference for people to find that might answer one or more issues they've found on their dimes. I'm attaching two images with the color labels for issues I've found on my dime (with the understanding that my dime itself probably doesn't have "all the issues" either. When folks weigh in on say, "Number 1 is...", "Number 2 is an example of...", etc... I can edit the post to add in the answers. My thinking is that the final result would work something like an instant visual key/resource where people can find their issue before even needing to post. If they have something that's NOT answered in this "common errors" then they can share with the forum to investigate a little deeper.

Creating these types of graphic/visual resources is/has been a regular part of my design career for many years, so (even on a Sunday) my mind immediately saw this in terms of "solving the problem" with an easy "Frequently asked questions" graphic. I'm relatively new to the hobby and to the forum so Mods, I apologize if I'm overstepping forum decorum.

All that said; Here are photos of the front and back of my "error-filled" 1983P Roosevelt dime. Please share any and all insight and knowledge as well as additional "errors" you may be seeing that I'm still too new to the hobby to even realize are errors. Thanks!


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1: (Please share what this is - or isn't)
2: I believe this is just a PMD scratch from a Coin Wrapping Machine?
3: (Please share what this is - or isn't)
4: (Please share what this is - or isn't)


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1: (Please share what this is - or isn't)
2: (Please share what this is - or isn't)
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02/26/2023 8:52 pm
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 Posted 02/26/2023  3:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Weight? If the planchet was tapered, then the weight will be lighter, thus the strike will be weaker on that edge of the coin?
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If weight is normal, then it might be another issue as to why the designs was weaker.
1. Devices looking wider, could be a grease error.
2. If the devices and rim are flattened and the coin is slightly under in weight, it could have been sanded or altered post strike, meaning the coin was damaged.
3. Either way not a premium for this coin. Not under enough to have a premium. (Just an explanation of what happened to the coin)
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 Posted 02/26/2023  5:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cujohn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would not go to tictok or utube or anywhere else other than this site to get my info from. Let alone take anything on those sites as true. They are there for the money. There are a lot more collectors on this site with centuries of experience compared to utube and tictok.
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 Posted 02/26/2023  9:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Before for example have my help, please define me what is for you error. (mint error) and not varieties. Then we can talk. I am not convince now what direction to take.
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looks like struck by a worn die, maybe Struck Through Grease, too, and Ring of Death damage from a machine
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 Posted 02/26/2023  9:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KBecker to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First off, thank you for the response and weigh-in on my submission. Coop, thanks for the "what this might be (or not)" and the suggest to weigh it. It came in at 2.2g which according to PCGS sounds like maybe a little light but unless you suggest otherwise, I'm guessing is within the margin of error that PCGS says it should be (2.27g).

Cujohn, thanks for the "straight talk" about the Youtube, tiktokers' "education" - Although I'm still getting my feet wet, I've been around life in general enough to wonder about the folks who seem like they're "selling" you something in exchange for views; "Hey, YOU might have a valuable 1983 dime! I'm not saying it for sure but give me your eyeballs and algorithm tweaks while I slowwwwly zoom around this odd dime I found...."

Silviosi, thanks for asking me to clarify what I mean by "error." What I mean in this case would be; "Is there something about the apparent defects of this dime that would suggest I found a mistake that came from the original minting process. Of course, I'd be thrilled if I was holding something whose mint errors, or rare variation resulted in its' being valuable, but the collector in me also would enjoy the feeling of finding something that whether it was valuable or not, would give other collector's a genuine moment of, "Whoa, cool! We don't see many of those... good find!"

Nick, thanks also for the Struck Through Grease suggestion, as well for the " Ring of Death" term. I'm sure that's not the official technical term, although I know it literally can be the murder of an otherwise great coin. Gave me a good laugh though.
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02/26/2023 10:03 pm
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 Posted 02/26/2023  10:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@ KBecker

Me I was attract by your post title. Build a resource for dimes. I like the idea someone will do, show errors and varieties as could occur during the production line. I will not say no to your project, but please never mixt the already scientific documented errors ( outside wrong intervention), with process malfunction at one point (strike ) and events and also production events. So many factors which must be put separately and documented.

The Idea you has is great. hope you can go to the bottom of the line. From 20 years I study this coins and my book on Design Varieties it is at 3/4 of what I want. How much investment? you maybe do not want to know. This it is just a part of the Dimes.

If you can do? ! this piece of art in the coins, please go ahead.

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