1983-P Doubled Die Reverse / DDR ! Need Help Confirming!

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Jakeefinshurley New Member United States 31 Posts	Posted 03/06/2023 04:19 am Report this Post to the Staff

John1 Moderator United States 56855 Posts	Posted 03/06/2023 08:54 am Photos are a bit lacking, looks like MD maybe. What attribution number do you think it might be? John1 Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 03/06/2023 11:09 am Look at the centers of the devices, not on the outside edges. Why? Because Machine Doubling and die wear affect the devices. A doubled die will have a spread in the centers of the devices. Note the side by sides of how this really looks: Note how the devices are enlarged on the DDR? Larger than normal size. Forget looking at the outside edges. Report this Post to the Staff
Jakeefinshurley New Member United States 31 Posts	Posted 03/07/2023 02:13 am These are a little better coop, and John1. Thank you for your comment! Report this Post to the Staff
John1 Moderator United States 56855 Posts	Posted 03/07/2023 07:57 am Photos are a little better, but you need to work on them. It is MD. John1 Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 03/07/2023 10:30 am Note the difference between the cents on the devices on the DDR? That area is wider/taller than a normal sized devices. Note on your last images, the width is reduced even smaller because of the Machine Doubling. Machine Doubling is an alteration of the strike post strike. (Damaging the devices) A doubled die can only happen, if there is hub doubling created on the die. You can have Machine Doubling on a doubled die coin, but Machine Doubling doesn't strike a doubled die. The differences? One is mechanical, the other is a distorted die from the hub doubling. You can add a sticker to a guitar that says a brand name, but that doesn't make it that brand. It is an alteration. Same for doubled dies. They can be altered, but they are still a doubled die. But Machine Doubling never creates a doubled die. (MD is an alteration of the coin post strike, normal or a doubled die coin) Edited by coop 03/07/2023 10:31 am Report this Post to the Staff
merclover Bedrock of the Community United States 10635 Posts	Posted 03/08/2023 06:03 am Machine Doubling, no DDR, sorry. Report this Post to the Staff
Jakeefinshurley New Member United States 31 Posts	Posted 03/09/2023 9:29 pm Here's an update John1 and coop. I know the pictures I provided aren't the greatest, but under my 60x zoom eye piece the areas I have circled and points to, are raised devices to my eye. No disrespect to your experience John1 and coop, but I see in my eye piece a rotation from it seems from NE to about a SE. Maybe a later stage of DD -02's? Or maybe just wishful thinking? Lol Report this Post to the Staff
John1 Moderator United States 56855 Posts	Posted 03/10/2023 05:50 am I still say it is MD. John1 Report this Post to the Staff
Cointree Valued Member United States 449 Posts	Posted 03/10/2023 06:30 am This coin has that sunken device Zincoln issue that seems to be on a lot of older Zincolns from the 80s, some 90s. It often comes with split-plating as well. The UNITED on your coin is a good example of that. Also on CENT. I saved a couple of examples of this because I have seen it lately on several posts, but there is no official terminology for it that I know of, other than being split-plating/zinc related. It looks to me as if the zinc underneath the copper layer decays and sinks in the middle of the letters, so you get sort of a doubling effect even though it is not really doubling. I will post my similar example if I can find it. Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 96800 Posts	Posted 03/10/2023 07:21 am sure looks like MD to me as well. I notice that the devices have been reduced in size due to it. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
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1983-P DDR! Need Help Confirming!