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County Of Holland Coins Of Albert Of Bavaria, 1391 And 1393 (Trigger Warning: Ugly Coins!)

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On the "How Far Back" 6th edition thread, @j1m analyzed the tough dates and mentioned that the 1390s are pretty tough except for Islamic coins.

As it turns out, Albert of Bavaria, who was Count of Holland from 1388-1404 liked to change up his coins often, and had at least 5 "emissions" three of which in the 1390s, changing the design each time. As these new coinages were coming every other year (1389, 1391, 1393, 1395 etc.) the window is at most two years for each type, but the Dutch auction houses tend to assign the coins to the year of the emission, probably for reasons elaborated on by erafjel once upon a time (the sovereign needed the seigniorgae immediately, the merchants pressured the sovereign to make more coin available quickly, etc.).

I recently picked up coins from the 1391 and 1393 emissions. They are not beautiful, but certainly speak to their active use (and/or burial in the case of the second one).

So, here is the 1 groot coin, emission of 1391, Van der Chijs Vol 6, 7.5:
County-Of-Holland-Coins-Of-Albert-Of-Bavaria,-1391-And-1393-Trigger-Warning:-Ugly-Coins!
County-Of-Holland-Coins-Of-Albert-Of-Bavaria,-1391-And-1393-Trigger-Warning:-Ugly-Coins!

And the 1/4 groot, emission of 1393, Van der Chijs Vol. 6, 8.16
County-Of-Holland-Coins-Of-Albert-Of-Bavaria,-1391-And-1393-Trigger-Warning:-Ugly-Coins!
County-Of-Holland-Coins-Of-Albert-Of-Bavaria,-1391-And-1393-Trigger-Warning:-Ugly-Coins!

More information on these two coins, and others from 1390s:
1391 1 groot: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces178566.html
1393 1/4 gr https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces358279.html
1393 1 groot: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces358160.html
1395 1/4 gr https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces358276.html

For the OFEY crowd, nobody is going to find one of the large 1 groot coins while coin roll hunting, but it's occurred to me that the 1/4 groot pieces, which are always in poor condition, just might turn up in a medieval Low Countries lot.

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Whaddaya mean "ugly"? They're beautiful medieval examples.

These are way more interesting than boring ol' ancients.



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tdziemia, these are very attractive coins! Anyone would be proud to own them.
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Nice coins, from my viewpoint. What are the quadrants in the shield? They look almost Bavarian....oops, Albert of Bavaria....not what I'd expect to see in Holland.
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Whaddaya mean "ugly"? They're beautiful medieval examples.


TBH they look significantly better than most other medieval coins I've seen, including the ones (formerly*) in my collection. I'd have been proud to own a medieval coin anywhere near as nice as that.

[EDIT: incidentally, if you've been wondering what to send me for Secret Santa, this pfennig from Graz - which I found while looking for more info on these 1390s coins from Holland - is absolutely awesome and I'd have bought it if I could.
Unfortunately I can't and probably couldn't for a while yet, if ever, because AFAICT it's illegal to own in Israel without far too much paperwork to bother with, and Russia, well, good luck with sending anything to there, and even if you manage, chances are I won't be at home to accept it anyway. So if you do decide to buy this for me, you might end up waiting for a good opportunity to send for many more years.]


*) what qualifies as my collection is somewhat uncertain at the moment, as in the short-to-medium term I'm probably not going to live anywhere near the majority of what used to be my collection, and it's not yet very clear what's going to happen with the coins - though the current plan is to just stash them somewhere and let them wait for my possible return
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What are the quadrants in the shield? They look almost Bavarian....oops, Albert of Bavaria....not what I'd expect to see in Holland.


Yes, four members of the Wittelsbach dynasty of Bavaria ruled parts of the Low Countries 1349 - 1433, and also were Bishops of Liege 1389-1418, and much of the period 1581- 1753, so the Bavarian arms were seen pretty frequently on Low COuntries coinage.

In fact, Holland would not be ruled by anyone from the Low Countries again until they won their independence around 1578. Bavarian rule was follwed by Burgundian rule (1433-1506), then Spanish-Hapsburg rule ("Spanish Netherlands" 1506-1578).
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Very interesting coins, tdziemia!
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