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1936 Buffalo Nickel Thoughts?

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 Posted 03/11/2023  12:52 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add MisterT to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello Folks, I have this slabbed Buffalo nickel and I don't know what to make of it. It is different from other slabbed buffalo's that I have in the sense that the luster doesn't cartwheel on this one at all. It has superbly struck details with thin square wire rims. I am wondering if perhaps it is actually a satin proof and mis-labeled as ms-62? Even if not a proof, the 62 designation seems quite low to me. I hope these pics turn out OK, I'm not the best with photography.
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 Posted 03/11/2023  08:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smat45 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Too nice of a strike for an MS...I agree with your thoughts on a satin proof.
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 Posted 03/11/2023  09:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Certainly appears lustrous in these pics!
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There were 2 types of proof Buffs struck in 1936 - brilliant and satin finish.

I am not an expert on Buffs but a cursory glance at the PCGS plate coins for the two types shows much sharper lettering than OP's coin, especially on the reverse.

The photos have too much lighting, which makes the surface luster a bit harder to discern.
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 Posted 03/11/2023  09:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MisterT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree that it is quite difficult to assess from just pictures, especially the glare of the pictures I posted. I took them last night with overhead room lighting. I will try to take another set this afternoon with just natural lighting. I do believe it is one of those coins you have to see in hand and tilt it in the proper lighting. I will probably have to see what my LCS thinks about it. The fields are smooth, almost mirror like but not quite. There is no cartwheel effect, just reflective effect and I can't see any flow lines in the fields from the die. I'll post a new set of pictures later today.
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 Posted 03/11/2023  09:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I certainly hope that Lady Luck is on your side and it is, in fact, a proof! That would be quite a "cherrypick" to say the least.
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OK, this has been difficult for me to capture the true images with the blazing luster. I took this set in natural light with my Ipad. I wanted to get rid of the glare from the first set of images. In doing so the surfaces are easier to assess but the blazing reflective luster isn't showing up very well.
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Here is a link to a Youtube video of the coin in question so you can see the surfaces and luster.
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 Posted 03/11/2023  6:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Certainly looks like it might be a proof!
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The pictures and even the short video don't do this coin justice. In hand it is stunning under a 2x glass. The more I look at it the more convinced I become that it is a proof. Way out of my wheelhouse on this one. I need to find an expert.
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 Posted 03/11/2023  10:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MisterT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I hate to be such a pain with this folks. Really Hard to get a good image. Here is another video that I hope is helpful.
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It looks like a nice piece that might be conservatively graded but highly unlikely to be a misattributed proof. You never know unless you have a couple Buffalo nickel experts view it in-hand for die markers and other characteristics unique to proofs.
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Sharper pics would certainly help, but even from these I can say with 99.9% certainty, this is a business strike. Two types of proofs were struck this year, satin and brilliant. Brilliant has far more polished fields, given it the "typical" proof appearance. The satin proof was exactly that, satin. The surfaces of your coin are too reflective and glassy to be a satin proof.

Also, the strike should be sharper for a proof. 36 satins are a bit more difficult to find in a full strike than other years, but should still be stronger than your example. There is noticeable weakness in the hair above the braid, buffalos head, and shoulder.

The rims should be more squared. The rims for this year typically aren't as wide as the early date proofs, but they should have sharper edges. Business strikes have a bevel to the edges, where proofs have a more defined edge. You won't be able to capture this in a pic, but take a look at the edge. The edge of a proof should have a more consistent polished look. A business strike will have noticeable striations from the blanking process. These will be vertical striations on the edge (if you're holding the coin horizontally).

Against, difficult to say without seeing in hand, but this to me looks like a dipped coin. When nickel is dipped it loses that cartwheel affect ans takes on a consistent glassy or oily like look. JMHO
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Nice coin !
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It's just a nicely struck circulation strike coin. 1936 is a year with many that look Proof but aren't.
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