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Crusaders Or Byzantine ? To Attribute - No Idea

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Following on from the previous
19 x 18mm
1.79 grams
similar appearance to previous
castle on one side
rows of letters on the opposite side
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Again I drew a blank.
Any help appreciated
Here is the sellers original listing

Crusaders-Or-Byzantine-?-To-Attribute---No-Idea
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Again, it looks more "seal-like" than "coin-like" to me.
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Ok, but wouldn't a lead seal have a hole through it? These are 0.89mm and 0.61mm thick.
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Normally, yes. I'm seeing features on this that might be holes, or collapsed holes, but nothing that shouts "seal hole".

The crux is of course what they're made of. If they're actually copper/bronze, then they're not seals.
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Interesting, by my calculations say if pure lead 19mm / 2 sq * PI* 0.61 * 11.34 = approx 1.96 grams

if bronze 19mm / 2 sq if* PI* 0.61 * 8.8 = approx 1.52 grams

at 1.79 grams it lies in the middle

I'm going with a lead alloy, say something like pewter?
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Forget the math, maybe forget the lead. Found it!

Crusader States, Antioch (Principality). Anonymous Æ Fractional Denier. 1120-1140.

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=10237042

https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotv...029cf19bdad2


But my issue now is the weight....1.79g

these two examples are 0.60g and 0.92g


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