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 Posted 03/15/2009  9:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xshift to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
dangit.. someone keeps outbidding me!

LOVE this auction, by the way
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 Posted 03/15/2009  10:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chadwick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
http://cgi.ebay.com/1886-S-MORGAN-S...GS_W0QQitemZ290302051707QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCoins_US_Individual?hash=item290302051707&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72:1729|66:4|65:12|39:1|240:1318|301:0|293:1|294:200

I think this is an example of one of those bad people posting a fake. I've been searching ebay for awhile, and things like this scare me to death.
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 Posted 03/15/2009  10:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chadwick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
http://cgi.ebay.com/1893-S-Morgan-S...ro_W0QQitemZ110364115930QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCoins_US_Individual?hash=item110364115930&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72:1729|66:4|65:12|39:1|240:1318|301:0|293:1|294:200

Ok, the 1886 might be authentic, if it is, then congrats to the winner.

However, on another note. The coin in this post scares me the most. Apparently its authentic size, and composition for the most part. I can see someone buying this coin, then dressing it with artificial aging and trying to pass if off as authentic.

ebay

If discovered there are no good deals of ebay other than some bullion coins. My local coin dealer is always cheaper than what these auctions go for.

BTW, love the nickel sale. I'm amazed at the bids. I think I'm going to start selling some of my "rare" 1970's pennies. I'll set the starting bid at .50 cents and ship for $2.99. I think I can make a killing.
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 Posted 03/15/2009  10:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DNA to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Real Morgan dollars are 90% Silver, 10% Copper (aka '.900 Fine'), and the Ken Potter repros are 99.9% Silver ('.999 Fine').

The 1986-present American Silver Eagle bullion coin is 40.6mm Diameter, .999 Fine, and 31.1 grams (one troy ounce).

If the Ken Potter 38.1mm repro Morgan dollars weigh 31.1 grams, they would obviously have to be thicker than the larger-in-diameter A.S.E. (2.98mm thickness), never mind the real Morgan dollars (2.4mm thickness)
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 Posted 03/15/2009  10:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chadwick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
True, the reproductions are .999 fine. However, how would someone tell the difference? I can honestly say that I couldn't. Of course there are chemical tests that could be done. But that would require a specimen to be taken from the coin. And if the coin in question is worth thousands of dollar and doing such would devalue the coin, if its real, who would want to go forward with such a test.

Imagine that someone has a coin that they feel is worth thousands, what is their incentive to prove the value of the coin to be less than 20 bucks? None. They would simply rather believe its real and sell as such.

I wonder how many of these coins have been sold as the real deal...... Of course not in the amazing shiny shape that its in now, but bare with me.

If someone bought that coin with the intention of selling it in a lot of other real coins, perhaps with the old overused story of inheriting these coins from a grandfather, blah blah blah... And bidders spotting the coin in the lot....

I think that all replicas should be outright marked as such, or altered in such a way that there could never be any confusion.

Times are getting tough, and in tough times crime, forgery, and general dishonesty becomes rampant. Unfortunately, ebay is a home for those such types to con away peoples hard earned money.
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 Posted 03/15/2009  11:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chadwick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ok, sorry. I'm doing homework for a CCNA class and juggling a hundred other things right now at the same time.

I've made a fool of myself. I admit it. I've now noticed the words "COPY" boldly printed on this coin.

I apologize to everyone for my former posts. I'm not to proud to admit I've made a mistake. Please look over me coincommunity. I get a little excited sometimes, and in my haste I have made an idiot of myself.

I am embarrassed. Next time I'll examine things a little more closely before I go off on a rant about anything.

My apologies to everyone.
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 Posted 03/15/2009  11:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DNA to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Like I said, the repro would be at least 3mm in thickness (vs. a Morgan's 2.4mm), and at 31.1 grams it handily outweighs the 26.73 gram Morgan.

The "Copy" stamp would be just about impossible to replace undetected on the surface of the repro coin.

No worries, chadwick, even if this piece didn't have the word "Copy" stamped on the reverse, the other differences would be easily detected with a metric ruler and a gram scale....
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I am digging up this old topic to give all of you who read it the first time around an update.

I guess the old saying that "no good deed goes unpunished" sort of applies here. My SEARCHED, SEEDED and NON-SHOTGUN roll sold on ebay for $36.00, probably about $6.00 more than it deserved. (Thanks to all of you CCF "shills" who bid on it...! ) The winning bidder, however, turned out to be an ebay newbie and I ended up having to report him for non-payment. Eventually, however, he DID pay me.

About a week after I shipped him the roll, he sent it back to me. Much to my surprise, when I opened the package I discovered that he had returned TWO ROLLS of nickels to me! Also enclosed was a note that read, "Returning both rolls for refund. Not enough mint-dated coins and too many common dates."

At this point, I just about went crazy. In case you don't remember, or are new to this thread, here is a link to the ebay ad that ran for these nickels: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...20045419&ru=http://shop.ebay.com:80/200320045419%3F_from=R40&_trksid=p2773.m38.l1313&_nkw=200320045419&_sacat=See-All-Categories&_naf=1&_fvi=1&_rdc=1

I absolutely lived up to the terms of this listing! My listing said I would SEED the roll with 7 different mint marked nickels and I actually put 8 into the roll, including 29-S, 30-S, 34-D, 37-S and other slightly more common MMd dates. I included NUMEROUS P-mint coins from the 1920's and I made sure NOT to include more than 5 of the common 1936-P's. All 42 coins (I put in 2 extras!) were full, 4 digit dates.

So - there were two things driving me crazy at the same time: Why would he return my coins which were very fairly described and what the heck was the story behind the additional roll that had nothing to do with me?

I decided to do some research. I went to ebay and pulled up a history of all the guy's purchases going back for 30 days and - BOOM - I saw the answer! The guy had been buying gobs of rolls from sellers who were advertising (Drum roll, please...!) "Guaranteed unseached bank wrapped shotgun rolls" of Buffalo nickels. I knew in a flash that he had either completely or at least partially confused MY nickels with those of one of these other sellers! There was one particular seller from whom he had purchased at least 5 of these so-called unsearched rolls from and it was my guess that it was this seller for whom the return was intended.

Well, it took some doing but I finally reached my buyer on the phone. It turned out that my guess was right on. He mistook me for the other seller. When I told him about my "unique" ebay listing and the coins that I had sent him he said, "Oh...yeah! I've been looking all over for those nickels! Those were great coins and I couldn't remember what I had done with them!"

He was a pleasant enough fellow but I could tell from his voice and some of the things he said (like about how he's been spending his retirement!) that he was an old codger. I was thinking to myself, perhaps somewhat unfairly or even cruelly, that old people and ebay may not always mix too well...

Anyway, I agreed to send all the coins back to him at my expense, so there goes that $6.00 "excess" that I thought I had netted when I sold the roll. I just hope that when he receives the two rolls that he still remembers our conversation and doesn't send them back and start the process all over again!
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hehe...that's quite a story. :)

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He was a pleasant enough fellow but I could tell from his voice and some of the things he said (like about how he's been spending his retirement!) that he was an old codger. I was thinking to myself, perhaps somewhat unfairly or even cruelly, that old people and ebay may not always mix too well...

Anyway, I agreed to send all the coins back to him at my expense, so there goes that $6.00 "excess" that I thought I had netted when I sold the roll. I just hope that when he receives the two rolls that he still remembers our conversation and doesn't send them back and start the process all over again!


I don't know if you're the "karma" type, but this will earn brownie points in whatever belief system you subscribe to.
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WeerdStev!! You crack me up!! I'm dying here!
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Anyway, I agreed to send all the coins back to him at my expense, so there goes that $6.00 "excess" that I thought I had netted when I sold the roll. I just hope that when he receives the two rolls that he still remembers our conversation and doesn't send them back and start the process all over again!


Enclose a note! "Per our conversation on ________, I am sending these back to you so you can return them to the correct seller!"

That's too funny, keep us posted...
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 Posted 04/18/2009  9:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Back Off Boogaloo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry, I don't want to offend anyone, but, I see things like this as just another Money-Grabbing opportunity. You can prove a point without profiting from it, by writing ebay help guides, starting threads on it etc. You get to sell junk for jewels, and enjoyed happily skipping to the bank. No offense meant.
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Sorry, I don't want to offend anyone, but, I see things like this as just another Money-Grabbing opportunity. You can prove a point without profiting from it, by writing ebay help guides, starting threads on it etc. You get to sell junk for jewels, and enjoyed happily skipping to the bank. No offense meant.



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