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1943-P Jefferson War Nickel Struck On Steel Cent Planchet

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The theories "Same building, same Mint, etc" sorry Bobby do not work for me because has no really bases.


Sorry but that's just ludicrous. There's a bazillion wrong planchet coins out there, the is absolutely no way they are all assisted which is basically what you're saying.
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Sorry but that's just ludicrous. There's a bazillion wrong planchet coins out there, the is absolutely no way they are all assisted which is basically what you're saying.


Bobby I respect your opinions (like is for all), visions and thinking's but it is not "ludicrous". Also they are not also "a bazillion" of those coins. Come out sporadic and no one past yet 20 in number.

I try to introduce you of the way the forensic analyze in the begin. It is not easy to do those analyzes. They are others documents (classified) which could be analyze in order to come to a conclusion or conclusions: As: what is the origin of alloy components use, The Dies stages, which presses has those marks and when was use, the Dies first stage strikes and the last stage before retire and also to see what Die (Hammer or Anvil) was use from the Dies Database No.

Thank you answer me with very sincere visions you has and probably other very rusty collectors.

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What are you rambling about? This is a simple case of the wrong planchet maybe getting into the wrong hopper. That's it.

Rambling on about die states, anvil and hammer dies, what floors do what, number of employees, how many shifts in 1963, and classified documents is 100% ludicrous.

The wrong planchet may have gotten in the wrong hopper somehow. That's all this is. It's not some big conspiracy theory.
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As Bobby states, these two planchets were in the mint at the same time, so it's a lot more probable than some of them that are out there.
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Sometime few planchets get stuck in the chamber, and when production starts again, one or two stubborn finally gets loose and that's when it get through quality control, especially when QC takes a day off.
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I think this post must be close. Bobby I state was done in the Mint facility and is consider Mint Error by TPG's. I try to explain the process and is not listening.

MAC, sorry you has no knowledge about presses when you talk me about chambers.

So better this topic will be close, please Bobby. Is no conspiracy hear is data.
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It's generally believed that most wrong planchet errors are accidental chance events and not intentional, although there's no way to know for sure in any single case. Given the similar size and color of the nickel and the steel cent planchets, there's no reason to think this was an assisted error.
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I'm not saying I agree with Sil or that I even have any opinion on how the coin was created, but I think (and please correct me if I'm misstating your argument ) what he's trying to say is that because Nickels involved precious metal in 1943 they would have been made with different presses from cents and on a different floor (not sure how we get that from the charts provided, but . . .)

Since they were struck on different presses and on different floors and since precious metal surveillance/security was tight the easiest way to get a silver planchet into the area where the cent dies were kept (cue the music from the vault scene in Ocean's 11) would have been at night when the mechanical staff had much freer access to move around and much less scrutiny and supervision.

Q.E.D - This has to be an intentionally incorrect planchet error.

No guarantees, express or implied, as to the accuracy of my translation because, well . . .

(Please direct all flaming responses to the source and leave the translator out of your line of fire!)
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I say its a way cool error. I'd enjoy finding one.
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...is also very interesting trying to understand how an "error"
like this occurs at the mint!
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As others have said, there's no reason to think that this coin had any assistance in its production or release. There are plenty of other examples of nickels struck on steel cent planchets. Such errors simply require that a cent planchet remain behind in a tote bin or hopper, awaiting burial beneath an avalanche of nickel planchets.
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As others have said, there's no reason to think that this coin had any assistance in its production or release. There are plenty of other examples of nickels struck on steel cent planchets. Such errors simply require that a cent planchet remain behind in a tote bin or hopper, awaiting burial beneath an avalanche of nickel planchets.


Exactly.
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In the 19th century it was common for mint employees to strike special "gifts" for dealers, collectors or even themselves. The employees were paid handsomely for their efforts.
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I think this post must be close.


Why? Because people disagree with you?
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