1859 And 1911 Canada Large Cent - Off Weight. Errors? Brass? Help:)

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Red33 New Member Canada 3 Posts	Posted 05/10/2023 10:48 pm Hi everyone:) I have two Canadian large cents that are both off weight.. 1859: weighs 4.29 g - supposed to weigh 4.54 It is also a thinner planchet and the diameter seems to be slightly wider then my other large cents. 1911: weighs 5.09 - supposed to weigh 5.67. The 1859 has a known rare brass variety that would also be under weight. I'm wondering if it's lighter weight could be due to age and wear - is it worth next steps and what I might they be? (I'm trying not to be excited at all) Also wondering if it may have been flatted of stretched out somehow - making the planchet thinner and circumference slightly wider? The 1911 - no clue. Can't find anything about it. It doesn't seem to be to worn or damaged all that much . it's significantly lighter than the cents from those years ? What does/could it mean - someone on another sight said it wasn't authentic- and then later said it looks like a pattern coin. It's difficult to find any information other than what's available on coins Canada and Numista. I was weighing all my large cents and they were all pretty spot on to their regular weight - this one also just felt a bit different in my hand. Are they special in any way (other than to me haha) Any advice / info would be helpful Report this Post to the Staff

okiecoiner Pillar of the Community Canada 5585 Posts	Posted 05/11/2023 07:05 am The 1858's and 1859's were about 1/3 thinner than those from '76 on. They were made the same diameter as the Brit 1/2 pence but thinner and lighter, so that 100 of them would equal 1 LB and each was 1 inch in dia ... both as a measuring device and counterweight. Your example is worn so it would weigh much less than when struck .... very common. It's not brass. The 1911 I have no clue what the weight difference is/was. They are very very common, so it's not a fake. Report this Post to the Staff
Coinfrog Bedrock of the Community United States 94367 Posts	Posted 05/11/2023 08:27 am Good info. to the CCF! Report this Post to the Staff
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Red33 New Member Canada 3 Posts	Posted 05/12/2023 12:30 am Thanks for the comments! Well, I knew not to get my hopes up for the 1859:) neat regardless, tho. Yeah - I don't know about the 1911 Numista note the coin weight as 5.67. I can't really find much els about what it could be. It just doesn't seem to have the kind of wear to be off by that much. Any suggestions or feed back on if I should indulge in further investigation for it - and/or where to start would be appreciated Thanks again Report this Post to the Staff
okiecoiner Pillar of the Community Canada 5585 Posts	Posted 05/12/2023 07:48 am Well, since both of your readings were light, then maybe your scale is off. Since the 2011 is naturally heavier than the '59, maybe the percentage "off" just means more tenths off for the '11. Just take a recent coin, maybe a quarter from the last 4-5 years, and see what IT weighs and how far off you are from a newly minted coin. The '59 that you had was well-worn so it would be naturally lighter than as struck. Edited by okiecoiner 05/12/2023 4:07 pm Report this Post to the Staff
kbbpll Pillar of the Community United States 4233 Posts	Posted 05/12/2023 12:24 pm The 1859 is 5.5% off and the 1911 is 10.2% off. Just a point of reference, I don't know if it means anything. Report this Post to the Staff
Red33 New Member Canada 3 Posts	Posted 05/13/2023 2:03 pm Yes, scale is off by .04 I was accounting for that, tho :-/ I have another 1911 - and the weight is pretty spot on in comparison. The back of the coin is worn/ corroded - maybe I overlooked that and it is enough wear to be 10% off. & 🤷 #127996; Thanks for all the help. Report this Post to the Staff
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