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1913 S Buffalo Nickel Type 1 RPD Or LDS?

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I'm stumped by this one because the error is so uniform and only around the date. I don't see it anywhere else on the coin's obverse or reverse. It weighs 5 grams. Interested to hear your thoughts.

Could this be an RPD or is this LDS? If it's a significant error, should I have it graded?

P.S. I added a close up of the mint mark just for grins.
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 Posted 05/11/2023  10:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldgrouchyguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like it was freed from an Encased Coin collar, and that would be Machine Doubling at the date...
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 Posted 05/11/2023  10:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bestofvariety to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
An encased holder would definitely explain the damage on the rim. I learned something new. Thank you. I figured it was most likely not a significant error. It was just so odd that the MD was only around the date and nowhere else. But then again, maybe it's not that odd. Thanks again Oldgrouchyguy!
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 Posted 05/11/2023  11:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bestofvariety to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like the DI's got mangled during the MD as well.
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 Posted 05/11/2023  11:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Late die state. looking closely you can see that the numbers in the date are 'doubled' in all directions. Look inside the loop of the '9'
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 Posted 05/11/2023  11:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bestofvariety to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agreed. Thanks Dearborn. Plus the "doubling" looks flat. I guess the date was the first part of that die that started to go.
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 Posted 05/11/2023  11:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldgrouchyguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
bestofvariety: I saw someone free an absolutely gorgeous 1901 Cent from a gem Pan-Am Expo collar; the rim was flattened and beveled all around. The crazy things we did in the 70's...
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 Posted 05/12/2023  12:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bestofvariety to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh! That hurts my heart! You must have been doing some crazy things to make you do those crazy things if you know what I mean. Lol
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 Posted 05/12/2023  12:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Gosh, maybe I'm worn out from looking at posts of counterfeits all day, but it doesn't look legit to me. The bridge of the nose is gone. Casting texture all over and the odd looking date and rims. Oh well, just another opinion.
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 Posted 05/12/2023  01:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bestofvariety to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You might be right. Like I said, it does weigh 5g. But I agree. All of the other features are soft but the date is so well defined. Isn't the date one of the first features to wear on these coins?
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kbbpll: what you see, esp on the top rim on the reverse, is damage caused by the collaring and encasement mechanism
bestofvariety: someone, early in the morning on a soon-to-be a very busy Saturday, spread a couple of thousand Brazilian cruzeiro notes, along with the contents of a few rolls of rusted Steelies, up and down Boston's Bromfield Street. Bromfield and the bisecting Province St. were the addresses of maybe half a dozen coin shops in the '70s.
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 Posted 05/12/2023  02:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bestofvariety to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oldgrouchyguy: So you do think this is a legit coin?
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 Posted 05/12/2023  02:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldgrouchyguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
bestofvariety: weigh it, diameter it... but I would take that bet. It's been a bit beat-up
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 Posted 05/12/2023  02:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1buff2many to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
kbbpll that is a good pick up I think you are right that it does seem likely counterfeit, certainly an interesting one. The overall shallow features paired with a rather sharp date (also looks a bit unusual) and LIBERTY is often weak and is rather strong for a 1913 and paired with those other shallow features. The reverse has similar shallow features but a strong mint mark. I would lean counterfeit as well.
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Yeah, I don't know, I'm certainly no expert at these. I've been trying to find one on Heritage with the 3 that high in relation to the other digits, and not finding any. The bottom loop of 3 is odd and the 9 looks off to me as well. The coin is so mushy and yet the date pops out, weird.
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It measures up in both weight and diameter. You guys have me worried. I didn't think the legitimacy of the coin would be in question. Here are some better images. Hopefully this helps.
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