Georgius III. 1815/1816 ? Copper. What Is It? (Id: Fake/Counterfeit Bank Of England 3-Shilling Token)

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JBL Valued Member United Kingdom 289 Posts	Posted 05/19/2023 11:47 am I can make out GEORGIUS III, a laurel wreath design with a Crown at the open end, date is below on the rim, very worn. No obvious denomination value. weight is 13g, diameter approx 33mm. Copper not silver. Any ideas much appreciated. Many thanks Brian. Report this Post to the Staff

HondoB Bedrock of the Community United States 24947 Posts	Posted 05/19/2023 1:17 pm JBL, it may be a George III 1 stiver, although the weight is off. Check the edge: smooth with a reeded groove running circumferentially around the edge of the coin (there is a pic of this on the 1/2 stiver page) https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces17809.html Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures Edited by HondoB 05/19/2023 1:31 pm Report this Post to the Staff
NumisRob Bedrock of the Community United Kingdom 17894 Posts	Posted 05/19/2023 3:31 pm I think it's a copper counterfeit of a Bank of England 3-shilling token, presumably originally silvered. The cross on George's neck may have been made by whoever first identified it as a counterfeit, to prevent it from circulating any more. Link to the actual coin: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces16764.html My Trade List: https://goccf.com/t/194596 My Wants List: https://goccf.com/t/191710 Edited by NumisRob 05/19/2023 3:33 pm Report this Post to the Staff
JBL Valued Member United Kingdom 289 Posts	Posted 05/19/2023 3:34 pm Thanks. I have weighed it again on some better scales and it is 13.5g Rim is very worn but no real sign of the reeded groove, but it is in poor shape overall. The Stiver looks promising. Cheers Brian. Report this Post to the Staff
JBL Valued Member United Kingdom 289 Posts	Posted 05/19/2023 3:35 pm Thanks Rob, that's an interesting idea worth a look. Cheers Brian. Report this Post to the Staff
JBL Valued Member United Kingdom 289 Posts	Posted 05/19/2023 3:47 pm Don't think it can be a George III Bank of England Token as it definitely has a Crown emblem at the top of the wreath and the tokens do not show that. Report this Post to the Staff
HondoB Bedrock of the Community United States 24947 Posts	Posted 05/19/2023 4:31 pm Funny that you bring up the George III bank token, Numisrob. I was going through a pile of "old copper and foreign coins" from an auction lot that arrived recently. Among them was this specimen that may or may not be genuine. Weight = 12.38 g; diameter = ~ 35 mm. Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures Report this Post to the Staff
Hogarth Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 733 Posts	Posted 05/19/2023 5:08 pm HB is correct. It is one of these: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces17809.html Report this Post to the Staff
NumisRob Bedrock of the Community United Kingdom 17894 Posts	Posted 05/19/2023 5:13 pm Well done, Hogarth! Would never have thought of that! My Trade List: https://goccf.com/t/194596 My Wants List: https://goccf.com/t/191710 Report this Post to the Staff
HondoB Bedrock of the Community United States 24947 Posts	Posted 05/19/2023 6:17 pm You misspelled Hondo, Numisrob. Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures Report this Post to the Staff
JBL Valued Member United Kingdom 289 Posts	Posted 05/20/2023 04:22 am Thanks everyone, I'll go with the 1813 1 Stiver. Looking again this morning with the sunlight highlighting the coin it was just possible to make out a couple of letters that fit the legend. Weight is a bit off but I'll put that down to wear and variation. Cheers Brian. Report this Post to the Staff
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Georgius III. 1815/1816 ? Copper. What Is It? (Id: Counterfeit Bank Of England 3-Shilling Token)