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1888 Sydney Mint Sovereign With Die Cracks.

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 Posted 06/11/2023  05:18 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Hermes3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Greetings from Wales.

First post here, I'm a bit of a stacker, but I also really enjoy the numismatic side of historical coinage.

I'm looking for a bit of advice re this interesting coin. It appears to have been struck with a cracked die, it's evident across the top of VICTORIA, progressing to a second crack across BRITT.

Very little re error sovereigns, I understand it's less likely to happen with gold.

I can find some reference to a few 1887 S coins displaying die cracks above Victoria but no pictures. I'm wondering if there's a possibility that degrading die was used into 1888 before QC picked up the crack and binned the die.

Any advice from you knowledgeable folk would be greatly appreciated, a picture of a cracked die 1887 would be fantastic for comparative purposes.

Many thanks in advance



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I don't remember seeing a Die crack before,contact Drake Sterling,they specialise in Sovereigns and will let you know the rareity.

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I formed an Australian gold type set (17 coins in all, including an Adelaide Pound waaaay back in the late 1960's.
Sold the set to help raise money to buy our first home.

All of the Half Sovereigns in the collection were from the Sydney Mint, in the city in which I live.
The Sydney Mint Building still stands in Macquarie Street, Sydney and is a heritage building.
Gold Sovereign production ceased in 1926, and all minting presses dismantled.
The 1/4 inch steel plate lined bullion room still exists at the front of the building., but is now used for office space.

Google Images reveal some good pictures of then current style of Georgian architecture.
search Google Images:
'Sydney Mint Building'

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I can see the circumferential die cracking through the lettering behind Vikkie's head.

22 ct gold is softer than .925 silver and so
there should be less stress on the coining dies, which one could reason that die cracks evident on gold coins should be scarcer

Nevertheless, I do not think evidence of a die crack on this coin would add much to the value, but it becomes a much more interesting coin.

I do not believe that a die with a known crack after it's discovery, would be allowed to continue in production.

The die pairs of for the 1887 dated sovereigns would have been removed from the coining presses, at which point it is possible to assume the cracking would have been discovered.
Thus, the die for this coin although may have been used for 1887 dated coins, would not have had any evidence of cracking before being paired with a 1888 reverse.
It is possible that the die for this coin was only used on 1888 dated coins
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Thanks for the welcome John1 and Basil

sel 691 thank you for such an interesting and informative response, really appreciate you taking time to give some historical insight into Sydney Mints operations. It's nice knowing it still stands and more so is part of your city's heritage.

It's a difficult coin to pinpoint, Marsh lists 3 1888 coins with the earlier 1st legend, all J.E.B variations. This one doesn't seem to resemble any, however it does seem to closer resemble the J.E.B spread on 1887 London mint coins.

Yes agreed, the gold being a softer metal causing less long term die damage.

I can see very fine hairline stresses at the top of the coin, I'd not noticed before.

There seems to be 2 independent cracks to these stresses as both the breaks along the top of Victoria and Britt have started and terminated from the rim of the coin. The one above Victoria certainly seems at a further stage having obliterated some of the lettering and forming a lovely trail of Cud. The crack above Britt isn't as advanced, logically thinking there should be some struck that display the advancing degradation of this die?

I can find zero evidence relating to cracked dies on 1888 coins, however I can find some reference to a few from 1887 that were apparently using dies sent to Sydney from London only being used briefly due to the cracking.

I absolutely agree we have to assume in 1888 the 87 cracking die was switched.

I can find no sovereigns from any years of production displaying any cracking of the die to the extent seen here.

It certainly is an interesting coin. One that I'm enjoying researching

Thanks again for your reply!

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My brother reminded me Eric Eigner,Drake Sterling,has an office(or at least a Rep.) in London,might be worth contacting them..AtB..
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