2023-P Eleanor Roosevelt Quarter Master Die Doubling.

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Cujohn Pillar of the Community United States 7174 Posts	Posted 06/11/2023 9:01 pm Has anyone else seen this. I opened up a roll of Ps and on everyone of them the eye was doubled. I waited till my bag came, and all 100 of them was the same way. They were dated 4 days apart. First I thought the roll was MD, then the bag confirmed they were all that way. I'm not that great of a picture taker so bear with me. Edited by Cujohn 06/11/2023 9:12 pm Report this Post to the Staff

Dearborn Moderator United States 95806 Posts	Posted 06/11/2023 11:02 pm Nice find John, But I'm always confused between master die doubling an regular doubling - and how to tell the difference. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 95806 Posts	Posted 06/11/2023 11:03 pm I'n your case, it may be easy to tell the difference because all of them were this way, but what if you only have one? Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
Cujohn Pillar of the Community United States 7174 Posts	Posted 06/12/2023 12:21 am That's what I thought on the first 4 or 5, and on the roll. Odds would have been astronomical on a whole roll, so I waited for the bag. So I'm pretty sure it's MDD. Report this Post to the Staff
Petespockets55 Pillar of the Community United States 5772 Posts	Posted 06/12/2023 08:01 am I agree with you. Sometimes judgment has to be held until more examples point one way or the other. And until you have more to compare to you wouldn't be able to tell. Your thread reminded me of this one- http://goccf.com/t/439730 A similar conundrum happens when true working hub doubling happens but looks like MD. 1935 DDO-001 comes to mind. http://varietyvista.com/01a%20LC%20...5PDDO001.htm (It does have notching/thickness on WE TRUST even though the date looks MD-ish) Words of encouragement are one of the major food groups. We need to consume them regularly to thrive and grow. Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 95806 Posts	Posted 06/12/2023 3:51 pm Thanks Pete! that helps. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
Cujohn Pillar of the Community United States 7174 Posts	Posted 06/12/2023 6:09 pm I guess we'll have to see. So far I've seen 6 different die parings in the bag. Report this Post to the Staff
Petespockets55 Pillar of the Community United States 5772 Posts	Posted 06/13/2023 04:38 am One thing to make note of is that I remember Coop writing that there are no master dies anymore, which I understood to mean the die production is "computer-driven" (so there isn't a need for master dies). I can't remember reading that before but it would make sense that dies, with current technology, could be produced by software instead of master dies. I'm not sure if that would indicate a glitch in the software causing the issues (if the same doubling "issue" shows up on multiple dies). The 2015 Homestead quarter comes to mind with the dozens of DDR window varieties that are documented. Hopefully, Coop chimes in to confirm my memory or correct me. Words of encouragement are one of the major food groups. We need to consume them regularly to thrive and grow. Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 95806 Posts	Posted 06/13/2023 08:43 am Speaking of Coop, where is he? He hasn't posted since May 28 - a long time for him to NOT be posting something. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
Cujohn Pillar of the Community United States 7174 Posts	Posted 06/13/2023 8:13 pm I was kinda thinking the same, it's been a while. Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 95806 Posts	Posted 06/13/2023 9:30 pm Well I got my Eleanor quarter today. It would appear that my coin has that Hub doubling too, just not as strong as yours. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
RockieDog New Member United States 36 Posts	Posted 06/27/2023 5:09 pm I have some in Varying states of the same, a few barely have it & then some, it's clear as day! I got them in the 3 roll sets always the P coin so far! Report this Post to the Staff
Cud Valued Member United States 52 Posts	Posted 09/13/2023 1:20 pm It's not just the eye that's doubled on many I have found it is also the forehead nose mouth chin and neck. Report this Post to the Staff
Tanman2001 Pillar of the Community United States 4399 Posts	Posted 09/13/2023 2:26 pm I've noticed this doubled eye as well. Not entirely certain what it is yet. I can confirm it does not exist on every Roosevelt quarter, I checked some of the ones I put aside and there's at least one here without it. If my memory is correct it also exists paired with other reverses, but I'll have to confirm that. I've been dismissing it as Machine Doubling myself for a while. It does appear to be decreasing the size of the eye like Machine Doubling and there has been some pretty deceptive Machine Doubling on some of the newer quarters (The plane on the Coleman quarter commonly has MD), but looking at it closer now it doesn't seem to have any obvious signs of it being Machine Doubling under high magnification. The mint certainly changed something in the hubbing process circa 2021-2022. I've noticed a ton of unusual and frequent hubbing issues on many newer coins. There will probably be a few doubled working hubs and master dies once everything is studied and documented. Maybe related to experimentations with die curvature? (Page 13: https://www.usmint.gov/wordpress/wp...5_FINAL.pdf) Who knows? Report this Post to the Staff
Errers and Varietys Bedrock of the Community United States 74090 Posts	Posted 09/13/2023 3:14 pm Very interesting! Errers and Varietys. Report this Post to the Staff
Cujohn Pillar of the Community United States 7174 Posts	Posted 09/13/2023 7:20 pm Quote: I can confirm it does not exist on every Roosevelt quarter, I checked some of the ones I put aside and there's at least one here without it. If my memory is correct it also exists paired with other reverses, but I'll have to confirm that I found 6 different die parings in my bag. Report this Post to the Staff
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