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So I recently was going through a bunch of pennies that I have set aside and came across two 1982 Philadelphia small date copper pennies. They are both definitely small date 100% and both way 3.1 G, I know some people mix up the large and small dates but these are definitely both small dates and definitely both copper. I know that the 1982 D small date copper pennies or the really rare and sought after ones but I'm getting mixed answers when looking online on how rare the small date Philadelphia 1982 copper pennies are. Does anybody know how uncommon 1982 Philadelphia small day copper pennies are or if they're even rare at all? Thank you guys in advance.
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Well, to start lets just say that there were 10,712,525,000 (that's 10++ Billion) 1982 Philadelphia cents minted overall. with a smaller percentage were the small dates, if only 10% were small dates, that would still be around 100 Million, so not that rare. However, let me go do a little research and see it there are any percentages published.
Mods, please don't lock this one, no image is needed for this question.
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None of the 1982 copper or zinc cents are rare except the sm. date copper 82 d mm.
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Your 1982 Philly small date cents are dirt common. Period.
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To be clear. 1982 has 7 varieties. Very big strike numbers. According with Mint report, was strike the small till June 1982 about half of the production ordered by the Reserve and the rest after with large date. In fact was just the hub change with a new Digit font. No one is scarce or rare.
Why those frequent questions about? Because a marron on YouTube made money with false information's.
this it is the story of. I have at lest 12 official sets of all varieties released by mint and a few roll of UNC for every variety. So this it is scarce? what oddguy wrote it is really misinformation about.
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What if the 82 small date copper is DDO and high grade MS? Does that improve the value?
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For small date I have no knoleadge of DDO. The large date yes and add value.
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silviosi; I do not know why you said my post about 1982 sm date d mm copper being rare is misinformation? Do you not know that it is rare. (two or three known).
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Quote: . I know that the 1982 D small date copper pennies or the really rare and sought after ones but I'm getting mixed answers when looking online on how rare the small date Philadelphia 1982 copper pennies are. Does anybody know how uncommon 1982 Philadelphia small day copper pennies are or if they're even rare at all? Thank you guys in advance. There are actually 7 varieties for 1982 Lincoln cents plus the single proof (1982 S) is a Large Date Copper Proof only 3.11g. You will notice from the image that its only the 1982-D small date that is only in zinc, and so if found on copper its a rare error with only two examples found. The others all can be found on BOTH zinc and copper planchets normally and only valuable in certain cases like a very high grade such as if you look at PCGS or NGC website price guide for the highest graded condition examples (a bit more below), or has some other reason like its another variety or error. Copper weight around 3.11g while Zinc weight around 2.5g.  It's theorized that the 1982-D Small Date copper penny was created when a brass planchet, or prepared coin blank, was left in the Mint's coin hopper by accident and was inadvertently fed into the coining presses. At least two (and perhaps many more) were unknown — until the first one was discovered by Paul Malone on November 23, 2016. He found it while sorting his 1982 pennies. It was the first-ever reported discovery of a 1982-D Small Date penny. What's amazing about this coin is that it took nearly 35 years for it to be found. And what's even more incredible still is that there are likely more out there just like it waiting to be discovered. Quote:What if the 82 small date copper is DDO and high grade MS? Does that improve the value? Just one example: 1982 Bronze Large Date DDO FS-101 (034.5) weight 3.11g. p82 strike. coneca ddo-002, coppercoins 1982-1do-002, wexler wddo-002. circulated value 20-30, uncirculated value 50-85. look at in god we trust and liberty. look for doubling on in god we trust and slightly om the bottom of libe of liberty. Some nice extra thickness with minor separation lines show on the date, LIBERTY and the motto. Notching also shows on the R of TRUST Generally speaking, errors and varieties can improve the value so makes it a bit more worthwhile to learn about them and search for them ongoing. A book like strike it rich with pocket change may help you get started finding some like that which are out there where that info came from. Normally there can be huge volumes of coins struck with modern coins and so because of having so many out there, circulated coins are generally not typically worth more than their face value or at least nothing that would make someone want to regularly search them out even if a bit higher. However even without errors or varieties, you can check the worth of a coin on pcgs and ngc in graded condition and how many are in the census for those grades (as if there is only 1 or 2 found in that top grade out of millions or billions, its unlikely that you will find that condition), and then pay to submit the coin for grading, and then potentially can sell it. This requires a lot of time and probably some learning experience because modern coins tend to have only the top grade or two that are harder to find with value you may notice, while the rest are money even or money losing after paying grading fees vs older coins which may generally hold more value than the grading fees even when not in the very top condition in some cases.
Edited by datadragon 12/14/2023 12:44 pm
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@ oddguyQuote: silviosi; I do not know why you said my post about 1982 sm date d mm copper being rare is misinformation? Do you not know that it is rare. (two or three known). DataDragon give you the official believe of origins. This it is very claudy because they are manny COULD on those 7 samples. Left over in the bin?, stack after milling or stack after clening? The big question is it : Why has the proveniance from the same region? And how come was discovered after 30 years. Manny suppositions and manny ways to see this anomalie. I had the opportunity to see one sample and analyze and I can tell you the coin was struck with normal forces for brass coins and not with the zinc coins and believe me the difference it is hudge. The 7 coins are know and are in private collections. Find another one for me it is an efemera as peoples look for 1936 dot Can cent. This it is my answer to you. You can contradite me as per your wish or attack me but the origins of this coins still be in the hands of Reserve Investigation Department. In the short future I will post here the minting process and I will include also the 80's.
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With no proof and no clearance at this time I must say in my opinion w mint and p mint are distinguishable by 3d bowtie and 2 d bowtie. Another thing in my opinion 1982 copper small date cents were only minted in the month of january at both w/p mints however that means twice as many for only one month so take your over all p mintage divided it by 1/12 and then multiply that number by two or just separate your 3d bowtie obverses and 2 d bowtie obverses and realize each variety is 1/12 the over all recorded mintage for P. I appologize I can not confirm or deny where my information comes from however if it puzzles you try filing a freedom of information request on all 1982 cents in all varieties from all mints. Here is the image of both varieties Hoorah! 
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If you look closely at each obverse variety the 2d bowtie has only one side of the bowtie showing where as the other 3d bowtie both sides of the bowtie show. I can not confirm or deny which indicates w or which indicates P however I have one clue for you. 
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From what I recently read (can't say for sure) is that they didn't switch Over from the large date design until Oct 21 of that year. So I'd imagine the number of the 10+ billion total minted. Small dates whether copper or zinc couldn't be too big. Unless they continued minting 1982s a bit into 83? I don't know if that's something they're known to do.
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