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Is There A More Thorough Photograde Resource?

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 Posted 06/24/2023  8:10 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Pmint1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Specifically I would like to find multiple examples of each coin through the highest ms grades. The ones for Morgan dollars on the PCGS photograde link is limited to one for each grade. The problem for me is some examples are softer struck than others, some I feel are overgraded ( the ms 65) photo. Any other photo resources?
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 Posted 06/24/2023  8:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dutch-Tigger to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Greetings , I`m just not seeing anything above the usual Obverse/Revers example for grading these darlings.
Maybe someone here knows of some place showing Multiple
examples of each grade.
Here is a place you may or may not have seen, but again just both sides once per grade.
https://www.thesprucecrafts.com/how...llars-768394
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 Posted 06/24/2023  11:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pmint1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Dutch-Tigger
I hadn't seen the Sprucecraft info before. I like the written descriptions in it.
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 Posted 06/24/2023  11:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think that most of us could do with a little more skill,
when it comes to being able to differentiate between soft strike and high point wear, especially when looking at screen pics.

With MS++ coins, that is not too much of a problem,
just look for undisturbed surface or luster on those high points, with the aid of a10x loupe in good lighting conditions, - preferably direct sunlight. That implies direct examination, hand held.

Very much a tougher ask for me, when differentiating wear and soft strike with less than MS grade, - especially when looking at screen shots.

I agree that in these sorts of cases, even Photograde is not very educative.
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 Posted 06/24/2023  11:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumismaticsFTW to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What's best is handling tons of coins.

Photos can only help so much.

Look on ebay at the different graded Morgans and save the photos to compare.
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 Posted 06/25/2023  04:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think if you are studying one type of coin like Morgans, you need to get some books on just that one type of coin. Certain years have their own quirks and certain mints have their quirks as well. A specialized book is going to be your friend.
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You can go to PCGS price guide.
Find the coin your looking for.
Click on the PCGS # on the left of the coin.
Then click on View More Images
https://www.PCGS.com/coinfacts/coin.../images/7090

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NumismaticsFTW said it...handling more coins

grading is not science. you cannot just go by one marker on a coin to grade it. photograde is good to get into a range you must then take your knowledge of the coins series to understand what was going on at the mint at that time.

a couple examples

1. Buffalo nickels are a challenge to grade. you just cant look at the horn. issues at the mint in the way of strike, die polishing and mismatched dies must also be considered.

2. the planchets of early coppers classic head large cents came across from england in oak barrels and were subjected to the elements (salt water in the air/humidity) for several weeks resulting in a high percentage of corroded planchets

3. various morgan dates (especially ones minted in new orleans) were weakly struck. you need to know what years this happened and how to determine strike from wear on them in order to properly grade them

these are just a couple examples if you really want to hone your grading skills. the best approach is to pick a series and learn everything you can about it

finally the most important thing you can learn about is detecting cleaned/damaged or counterfeit coins. the later being the most difficult. not knowing how to discern a cleaned raw coin can cost you a lot of $$
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You said it Pazaldi ... many times I have spent the money for grading, only to find out that a coin was cleaned / whizzed etc. This is the area I seek the most growth in my education. - "Coin on", Tiny
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TinyRetreat

stay plugged in to CCF. there are so many knowledgeable members on cleaning. many explain the reason for the decision. put two and two together and you will learn over time what to look for.

PCGS has put out several vids on cleaned/damaged/counterfeit detection. you may want to start here

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?li...1WiV9u-qLhQ3
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