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Conservation Summary - Post Your Results A summary thread of conservation results may be useful for members searching for methods to use, and a visual of potential results. One coin per post please. I think it prudent to keep replys on methods employed to a minimum, the results should be indicative of method success. All conservation paths relevant: TPG, DIY, other. Just don't show us a Buffalo that you threw in a rock tumbler, please! A suggested format would be: Coinage - Metal Composition - Source of coin - Link to other CCF post if documented in detail - If applicable, TPG grading results (straight graded / details / etc) Summary of conservation efforts - Just high level steps employed - As applicable, links to more detailed steps involved Images If you're able to side-by-side the start/finish, all the better. Otherwise: - Starting Image Obverse - Resulting Image Obverse - Starting Image Reverse - Resulting Image Reverse I'll kick off the thread with a few. Mods - please move if you find a better home for this Edited by DOCC 05/10/2023 5:24 pm
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1910-S Lincoln Wheat cent - 95% Copper, 5% Tin and Zinc - Metal Detecting Find - Not graded Conservation Efforts - Sodium Sesquicarbonate Bath - Acetone Soak - Microcrystalline Wax Apologies, only have Obverse starting image  
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1887 Indian Head cent - 95% Copper, 5% Tin and Zinc - Metal Detecting Find - Not graded Conservation Efforts - Sodium Sesquicarbonate Bath - Acetone Soak - Microcrystalline Wax  
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Is the green/grey color shown in the photos accurate?
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Quote: Mods - please move if you find a better home for this I moved this to Main to cast a wider net. 
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Do you want TPG results too or only DIY?
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Quote: Is the green/grey color shown in the photos accurate? nfine - totally accurate, I'd say exactly as in hand. Edit - sunny day so here is coin-in-hand outside 
Edited by DOCC 05/11/2023 4:32 pm
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Quote:Do you want TPG results too or only DIY? kbbpll, I would think the thread best served by ALL conservation paths: TPG, DIY, or other. I'd be super interested in seeing other results/methods and possibly changing up my approach. Visually matching a coin to a starting image and knowing what might be the outcome may help people decide on a path. I'll edit first post.
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I leave this stuff to the pros. I imagine you have to ruin a lot of coins when trying it yourself. Canada 1947 25c Maple Leaf - .800 silver .200 copper - Source = Grandfather - Raw -> MS63 Conservation Efforts - ANACS Conservation Service This coin was in the same 2x2 for roughly 50 years and had milky haze all over it.  
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1936 New Zealand sixpence Composition: Silver (.500) Soaked for 4 days in a 3% w/w solution of Disodium EDTA.   50% silver so about 50% copper. Silver doesn't corrode but copper does. On addition of EDTA (ethylene-diaminetetraacetic acid), copper- EDTA complex ions (Cu(EDTA)2-) are formed turning the solution pale blue.
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1827/6 O-102 U.S. Bust Half. 89.2% Silver 10.8% copper Bought at flea market with obvious PVC damage. They offered it at a price I couldn't refuse.  Dipped in acetone for about an hour or two. Still a details coin, but much better to look at IMHO. Before....   After.....  
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Great idea on the thread ... loved seeing the results posted. I still haven't tried a coin of my own ... can't get over the "leave them alone" mantra I've come to embrace.
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Here is an example from NGCs conservation where they removed the opaque bluish residues from predominantly the obverse side.of this quarter with care to avoid hairline scratches. So certain residues and perhaps some of the haze seems to be able to be removed and then was able to be graded well. https://www.ngccoin.com/news/articl...onservation/ In other cases it seems a lot of trial and error is required. I think also the color we see as pink is the actual color of copper. A freshly exposed surface of pure copper has a pinkish-orange color. The familiar reddish-brown color of copper is caused by copper(I) oxide, which is slowly formed on the metal surface but we are over restoring it too far to that more unnatural state for the coin. Copper reacts slowly with the oxygen in the air which is a process called oxidation. The process produces copper oxide, a brown or black compound, or tarnish and therefore over a long period it starts to turn brown. I think thats also why over dipping too long or with a mixture not diluted enough with copper coins will often leave an "unnatural" pink tone. E-z-est also doesn't need to be full strength to remove haze and at full strength it can result in over stripping the surfaces after a few seconds again too long = bad. I use a 50/50 mix with distilled water myself but I dont have a lot of experience in this area yet. Are you using a final rinse in distilled water after cleaning with acetone? If not perhaps try that. It seems that acetone dehydrates the coin and therefore removes moisure so the coins sometimes dont look quite normal afterwards. This has been described as a whitish look or dull.
Edited by datadragon 07/14/2023 12:36 pm
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Quote: Are you using a final rinse in distilled water after cleaning with acetone? If not perhaps try that. It seems that acetone dehydrates the coin and therefore removes moisure so the coins sometimes dont look quite normal afterwards. I have always performed a final rinse with fresh acetone. I am not sure "moisturizing" a coin would be a good thing.
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Quote: Great idea on the thread ... loved seeing the results posted. I still haven't tried a coin of my own ... can't get over the "leave them alone" mantra I've come to embrace. My issue is that 90% of the time I'm working with ground finds that are caked up. With a good chunk of those, something needs to be done just to see the date/MM. The general assumption/validation for self-conservation is that no TPG would ever want to touch/conserve a coin in a condition such as my first 2 replies - or any other results I've posted in the past. Those are pretty representative of what I find. But I spent years testing on countless culls and now have confidence in if, and how I proceed. For example, this came out of the ground this morning. 1873 Indian - is it a double Liberty? No bare metal exposed and patina looks fairly robust so worth a few alkali soaks to find out. 
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