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1961 Franklin Proof . Are These Pics Good Enough For Grading Guestimate?

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I spent over an hour trying to get good pics of this coin that is in the mint cello and thought I'd try the best ones to get your feedback, both of the coin and the pics

I don't see anything on this coin that would not make it a 69, maybe 68, but what do I know?

I took 2 pics of both the rev and obv so any imperfections would be attributed to the cello and not the coin.

I'm shooting with my phone. Import into Gimp to crop and resize.

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 Posted 07/07/2023  7:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Definitely not sharp or bright enough to grade.
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 Posted 07/07/2023  7:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canyonmule to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@coinfrog

Thanks. I figured it wasn't good enough but was just a bit frustrated with my results thought I'd give it a shot anyway. Camera is 12MP and tried using a light box, diffused lighting, etc to no avail

Looks very very good under the scope but I can't fit the whole coin in the field of view.

Ah well, such is life :)
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 Posted 07/07/2023  7:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also, as I'm sure you're aware, the fields are too dark to see the surface details.
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 Posted 07/08/2023  05:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You need more light on the surfaces so we can see them.

I find it very challenging to photograph lustrous Proof strike coins - so stay with it.
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the one thing you can see, if its not on the cellophane are the marks around IN GOD WE TRUST on the coin on the left and all across LIBERTY on the right coin. if these are on the coins it would preclude the grade from even being higher than a 64 possibly 63. on top of that the strikes look very mushy. on the last reverse photo most of the bell lines are not even there. sorry we cant be more accurate

try different types of lighting. although its not recommended maybe even tilt the coin a little to get a more focused shot without as much glare. these are a bear to photograph.
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canyonmule,
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I suggest using a white light (or sunlight) and a black background.
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As I'm sure you realize by now, proofs are tough to photograph, and even more so when in mint cello because all the marks on the cello look like they are on the coin. I don't think there is a way to get around that short of removing it from the wrap. Sometimes a very low angle light source can show the surfaces better, but I'm not sure that will work with the packaging. Your coin looks pretty clean other than a few ticks on the cheek and lapel that may preclude it from a higher grade.
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 Posted 07/08/2023  12:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canyonmule to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@John1

read that and that's what I did for these pics! :)
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the side by side pics are showing the difference of the cello marks as I let the coin move a bit by picking the set up and letting the coin slide a little, so what you see in one pic you won't see in the other
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i see what you did now with moving the coin a tad. if none of the marks are on the coin then my best guess is PF64. the strike is just not there for a 65
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