1792 8 Reales Lima W/ George I I I Counterstamp

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HondoB Bedrock of the Community United States 25215 Posts	Posted 07/20/2023 10:19 pm Not in the greatest of condition, and holed. But it makes a nice addition to my Spanish Colonial collection. 26.99 g From Numista: "Emergency issue consisting of foreign silver coins, usually Spanish Colonial, having a bust of George III within an oval (1797) or octagonal (1804) frame. Countermarked 8 Reales circulated at 4 Shillings 9 Pence in 1797 and 5 Shillings in 1804. The puncheons used for countermarking foreign coins for this series were available for many years afterward, especially the oval die and apparently a number of foreign coins other than Spanish or Spanish Colonial 8 Reales were countermarked for collectors." https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces27971.html Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures Edited by HondoB 07/20/2023 10:41 pm Report this Post to the Staff

Albert Pillar of the Community United States 1913 Posts	Posted 07/20/2023 10:30 pm Countermarks can be interesting to collect. I think there are specialty books for them. I have one on an Azores coin, but Brazil is more interesting to me. One coin has a counterfeit countermark on a genuine coin. Another has a legitimate countermark on a counterfeit coin. On this Azores coin is a known documented false countermark. Edited by Albert 07/20/2023 10:42 pm Report this Post to the Staff
HondoB Bedrock of the Community United States 25215 Posts	Posted 07/20/2023 10:37 pm Albert, excellent coin! And I agree - counterstamped coins are quite interesting! I have a few Morelos counterstamped SUDs from the Mexican War of Independence, but that's for a different topic. Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures Edited by HondoB 07/20/2023 10:57 pm Report this Post to the Staff
realeswatcher Pillar of the Community United States 1962 Posts	Posted 07/20/2023 11:48 pm The hole is curious as, from the positioning, a cancellation hole might be suspected. However, host and stamp both look good. Maybe someone got spooked by a weird stamp they didn't recognize... or it was otherwise withdrawn? Report this Post to the Staff
HondoB Bedrock of the Community United States 25215 Posts	Posted 07/21/2023 12:22 am realeswatcher, you've forgotten more about Spanish Colonials than I know. Yes, the hole is strangely placed. Was it holed before or after the CS? Who knows? From my readings, these CS 8 reales were not especially well-received by the British populace, as well as widespread counterfeiting of the counterstamps. These factors led the Soho Mint to totally overstrike the Spanish Dollars with the Bank of England design. Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures Report this Post to the Staff
NumisRob Bedrock of the Community United Kingdom 17933 Posts	Posted 07/21/2023 07:16 am Interesting coin, Hondo! My Trade List: https://goccf.com/t/194596 My Wants List: https://goccf.com/t/191710 Report this Post to the Staff
threefifty Valued Member United States 131 Posts	Posted 07/21/2023 12:25 pm Nice coin Hondo! The stamp looks good to me but I am certainly not a specialist. I have a questionable octagonal stamp dollar with a similar hole. XRF showed trace gold and the SG is good, but the stamp is potentially counterfeit per discussion with swamperbob. The hole is in a non jewelry spot like yours. I found one other example on Worthpoint too - see below. I haven't heard a good explanation yet why a good dollar would be cancelled at the time - for the octagonal issue, false stamped dollars could be redeemed for 4 shillings 8 pence by a firm called Binns and Woods (Spanish Dollars and Silver Tokens, page 59). So at least for mine the answer could be someone using a stamp to make a coin for collectors. Report this Post to the Staff
HondoB Bedrock of the Community United States 25215 Posts	Posted 07/21/2023 12:51 pm threefifty, thanks for the info! I'd be interested in seeing your coin's counterstamp. Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures Report this Post to the Staff
threefifty Valued Member United States 131 Posts	Posted 07/21/2023 2:28 pm Here it is. I had posted about it previously in the Keyhole/Porthole discussion thread a couple of years ago and had a chance to buy it afterward. Report this Post to the Staff
jbuck Moderator United States 188440 Posts	Posted 07/21/2023 2:31 pm Nice examples! Coin Collector Since 1978 Avatar Old Avatar 7070 Eisenhower Australia Canada World CCF Members on eBay CCF eBay Search Engine Report this Post to the Staff
HondoB Bedrock of the Community United States 25215 Posts	Posted 07/21/2023 4:23 pm That counterstamp does look a bit rough, threefifty. I zoomed in on mine, and this is the best my phone would do. Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures Report this Post to the Staff
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