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1994-D LMC, Weight 2.5g, Diameter Tiny Bit Over In Flap Area, Would This Be A Damaged Blank/Planchet?

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Hello all , been sitting on this one over a year now (no! I did not bend it while sitting on it), 1994d LMC. Weight 2 5g, the diameter is just a hair over normal, only in area of the edge overlap from what I can tell.
The picture of reverse red arrows looks like a screw impression almost to me, the whole area there is incuse missing metal, though thinking the flap on edge made up the missing metal weight?
I am still trying to figure it out, so while recently thumbing through (an excellent book), Joe Cronin's, "Mint Errors to Die For", I found and thought maybe a pre-strike-damaged planchet/blank?
Though not much information on it in the book, or elsewhere that I can find.
Any help would be greatly appreciated, any ideas .
Kindly, Bg

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This is post-mint damage. It was smashed - notice how the coin is no longer circular at the point of damage.
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I do not know what cause it but it is just a damaged coin. Not an error.
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Thank you, @HondoBugoss, and
@oddguy.
I am not sure I agree because of what I found in book, this can happen. I'll see others will have to say.
I really do appreciate your opinions.
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I agree, just damage. PMD.
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@errers and varietys, I do thank you,
I will post a picture from the book.
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This picture is from:

Joe Cronin's, Book "Mint Errors To Die For"

that looks very similar to my coin.
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Cronin pretty much spells it out in that article. If the struck features are over the top of the error, then the problem happened prior to striking. Those are interesting and worth some money. If the "error" is over the top of the struck features, then the damage happened post-mint ( PMD) and are usually worthless.

The damage on your coin destroyed the rim. Since the rim formed during striking, that means the damage almost certainly happened after the coin was manufactured. That's just my personal opinion, you are free to disagree—and if you can find someone to pay you money for the coin, then obviously you are right! =)
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When you hear hoof beats, think horses - not zebras.
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I agree with Brand and his comments. While your coin 'looks' similar to the one in the article, they are not the same at all. your coin was just crushed, while the other one had the copper pealed back before the strike and then sent to the striking chamber and the design was struck on the 'zinc' side of the plating.
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Thank you @Brandmeister, and @ Dearborn I do appreciate you all taking the the time.

Can anyone explain how
the reverse gouge was copper plated post mint?

Again, I do appreciate all of your comments and help.
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Do you mean the bits of copper plating in the zinc smear? That copper surface is bonded quite strongly to the zinc core. Whatever crushed that coin edge probably scraped away a lot of the copper in that spot—it takes considerable force to damage a coin like that. But the copper surface wouldn't just peel away or fall off, it is attached to the zinc at the molecular level.
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I wonder if it got stuck in a malfunctioning penny squashing machine at some tourist attraction, or maybe someone put the penny in the machine without turning the handle to point to one of the dies, and the penny got caught up in the rollers and ejected.
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Quote:
Can anyone explain how
the reverse gouge was copper plated post mint?

Are you referring to your coin? (I'll assume so for now)
On your coin, I'll propose that it was laying on a rough surface Obverse facing down towards the surface (tails up) Then, something relatively heavy and sharp impacted the very edge of your coin, denting it in (which explains why the zinc core is not showing), then there must have been a sliding movement while this heavy 'thing' was on your coin - stretching out the rim and scraping off the coper plating from the obverse side.
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@Brandmeister, @NumisRob, and @Dearborn

I give! Lol.

I do thank everyone appreciate your time, and replies.
Kindly, bj
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