2007 Idaho Quarter Die Chip - Die Crack Or Pre-Cud?

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gigi2110 Pillar of the Community United States 1770 Posts	Posted 08/01/2023 8:12 pm Guys I know I did a post about this coin but I think I did not show good images at that time and I was left with the doubt of what it this, is this a kind of pre-cup? Or is just a die crack with a nice Die chip? This coin just comes to my mind as we have been talking about it. Here is the New images with different angles and color: gigi2110 Report this Post to the Staff

Dearborn Moderator United States 95740 Posts	Posted 08/01/2023 8:23 pm Nice die chip with a short almost rim to rim die crack. (It doesn't appear to reach the rim 'YET' by the O in Dollar. - so a possible pre-cud or maybe a 'Pre' Pre-cud. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Edited by Dearborn 08/01/2023 8:27 pm Report this Post to the Staff
HondoB Bedrock of the Community United States 25153 Posts	Posted 08/01/2023 8:25 pm Gigi, that die break has all of the potential for becoming a Cud. I don't know if the die was allowed to deteriorate to that extent, or whether it did and the Cuds were caught by Mint employees before release. Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures Report this Post to the Staff
Coinfrog Bedrock of the Community United States 94367 Posts	Posted 08/01/2023 8:35 pm Nice pre-cud, good eye. Report this Post to the Staff
silviosi Pillar of the Community Canada 6244 Posts	Posted 08/01/2023 8:37 pm From 1999 with the new presses the Die check is done by the computer. At the end of the line after strike from 2000 coins, the inspector will look few coins with 10x magnifier. Is see some Die Crack will not push the recycling button, so the coins will be release. Only the a logarithm will say when the Die must be change. And this in the case of Business coins. The proof are different so different specs. Report this Post to the Staff
gigi2110 Pillar of the Community United States 1770 Posts	Posted 08/01/2023 8:48 pm Thank you gentlemen! The funniest thing is that I have had selling it on ebayfor more than I think 5 month and nobody take it because I just put nice die crack and die chip, if I were put pre-cud in the title im pretty sure it was sell right away. gigi2110 Report this Post to the Staff
Errers and Varietys Bedrock of the Community United States 74064 Posts	Posted 08/01/2023 9:12 pm Very nice long Die Crack and nice Die Chip. That one is huge! Errers and Varietys. Report this Post to the Staff
gigi2110 Pillar of the Community United States 1770 Posts	Posted 08/02/2023 12:28 am Thank you @Errers! gigi2110 Report this Post to the Staff
John1 Moderator United States 56855 Posts	Posted 08/02/2023 07:06 am Just to be clear, a coin cannot really be a pre Cud unless there is a known Cud that matches the so called pre Cud. This coin, the die crack does not go rim to rim so not a pre Cud per say. John1 Report this Post to the Staff
Petespockets55 Pillar of the Community United States 5772 Posts	Posted 08/02/2023 08:38 am Quote: Just to be clear, a coin cannot really be a pre Cud unless there is a known Cud that matches the so called pre Cud. This coin, the die crack does not go rim to rim so not a pre Cud per say. John1 I wasn't aware of this requirement. Is this requirement spelled out on Cuds-on-coins? Words of encouragement are one of the major food groups. We need to consume them regularly to thrive and grow. Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 95740 Posts	Posted 08/02/2023 08:45 am Quote: I wasn't aware of this requirement. Is this requirement spelled out on Cuds-on-coins? First time I'm reading this too - I've been to CoC and it is not described there. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
John1 Moderator United States 56855 Posts	Posted 08/02/2023 09:55 am I don't know if it is on COC, but it is common sense. John1 Report this Post to the Staff
Dowhat Pillar of the Community United States 876 Posts	Posted 08/02/2023 12:48 pm As stated earlier, it is possible that the damaged die was noticed and replaced. Report this Post to the Staff
JC Stevens Pillar of the Community United States 538 Posts	Posted 08/02/2023 12:59 pm Quote: Just to be clear, a coin cannot really be a pre Cud unless there is a known Cud that matches the so called pre Cud. This coin, the die crack does not go rim to rim so not a pre Cud per say. John1 Not true, where did you get that info from? Cuds-on-Coins http://cuds-on-coins.com/ Report this Post to the Staff
John1 Moderator United States 56855 Posts	Posted 08/02/2023 2:32 pm Just my common sense. It is just my take on this issue, I guess. John1 Report this Post to the Staff
silviosi Pillar of the Community Canada 6244 Posts	Posted 08/02/2023 3:17 pm @John1, from one point of view make sense but in fact is not. Here the definition of an pre-cud: Quote: A "Pre Cud" is a precursor to most collectible of all die break errors called a Cud. The Pre Cud starts out as a Rim to Rim Die Crack. When the die break starts to show lateral spread and horizontal offset it now becomes a Retained Cud. If the break separates from the die the result is a fully-fledged Cud. Then what on those modern presses will be never pre-cud? Think that if in this case the Anvil was come to point to be change they at Mint change also the Hammer. Today the Dies go by pairs and if one is out of parameters, then the other is change automatically. Interesting point of view. Report this Post to the Staff
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