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Help With Saint Nicholas Coin? Medal? Token?

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This one is framed and simply marked "sigllio di san Nicola' .. . Seal of saint nicholas..any thoughts would be appreciated!
I can't weigh it but it's probably about 36-40 mm in diameter.

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Saint Nicholas is the patron saint of Bari.

There is at least one 12th century follaro (follis) struck in Bari with an image of Saint Nicholas on it, but it is a very small coin: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces324034.html

Your item has a similar design, and I suppose could be a seal, though my understanding is seals were normally made of lead, and this size seems large?
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@tdz, I have only seen these seals.. usually religious here in Rome, as you say, made of lead.

I have no way to test the medal on this one. Could it be a modern restrike? Billion? Low carat gold?

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Thanks @Kam, all I have found so far are similar lead seals and, no matter how much polish is applied, you cannot get lead to look like that . . . I am inclinded to think it's a recast souvenir type piece... It's priced at 101 euro, so it's not worth the risk until I research significantly more.

Thanks!
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I agree, cast or coated.
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It didn't show immediate signs of casting but the coating certainly takes a lot of its interest away .. to me at least. It was in a plastic frame and I have seen similar actual ancient items either glued in frames or sealed in plastic etc... Seems like it was a thing in the 70s to destroy stuff for the sake of presentation...
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A soft alloy like lead might explain why it is mounted in that jenky three-armed holder. As to the color and shininess, perhaps it was gold-plated? On the other hand it coul be just a tourist concoction as you said. I agree that a hundred Euros seems kind steep though.
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@spence, I have seen enough coins damaged here by "presentation" that I stay away. It isn't worth the time, effort, and energy....for an interesting set of photos I posted some Canadian Olympic coins I liberated from heavy acrylic about a year + ago... Long sold, but lesson learned.
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